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Live Nation director boasted of gouging ticket buyers, “robbing them blind”


Unsealed messages add wrinkle to trial after US agreed to settle with Live Nation.

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Newly unsealed documents show that a Live Nation regional director boasted of gouging ticket buyers and “robbing them blind” with fees for ancillary services such as slight upgrades to parking.

Live Nation has tried to exclude Slack messages from a trial that seeks a breakup of Live Nation and its Ticketmaster subsidiary, claiming the messages are irrelevant to the case, “highly prejudicial,” and would “inflame the jury.” The US government and state attorneys general opposed the motion to exclude evidence. US District Judge Arun Subramanian of the Southern District of New York hasn’t ruled on the motion yet, but ordered the documents unsealed yesterday.

Live Nation has touted the experiences it offers concertgoers at amphitheaters but sought “to exclude candid, internal messages in which the individual who is currently Head of Ticketing for these amphitheaters calls fans ‘so stupid,’ explains that he ‘gouge[s]’ them, and brags that Live Nation is ‘robbing them blind, baby,’” said a memorandum of law filed by the US and states.

The messages were “sent between Live Nation employees Ben Baker and Jeff Weinhold on the workplace collaboration tool known as Slack,” the memorandum said. The “robbing them blind” message was sent by Baker.

“As of 2022 (when most of the messages were sent), Mr. Baker was a regional Director of Ticketing for venues including Live Nation’s MidFlorida Credit Union Amphitheatre (a major concert venue),” the brief said. “Mr. Weinhold was also a regional Director of Ticketing for venues including Jiffy Lube Live (another major concert venue). Mr. Baker is now Head of Ticketing for Venue Nation (the component of Live Nation responsible for operating its amphitheaters), and Mr. Weinhold is a Senior Director of Ticketing for Live Nation’s Capital Region.”

US settlement throws trial into doubt

The brief said that “Live Nation’s excessive prices for ancillary services,” like those boasted of in the internal messages, “are directly relevant to Plaintiffs’ claims” regarding how “Live Nation monetizes its monopoly position in the amphitheater market.”

The trial itself could be halted and restarted at a later date because the Trump administration decided to settle with Live Nation and Ticketmaster. The US and states filed their motion to exclude the evidence on March 8, the same day that the US and Live Nation informed the court of a proposed settlement.

The US/Live Nation settlement blindsided state attorneys general, who have said they intend to take over the lead role in litigating the case. State AGs criticized the settlement terms and asked for a mistrial to give them time to prepare for a new trial. The judge reportedly urged the state AGs and Live Nation to hold settlement talks and to be prepared to continue the trial next week if they don’t reach a settlement.

The exhibits that Live Nation wanted to exclude were posted on the court docket yesterday. “I charge $50 to park in the grass lmao,” said a 2022 message from Baker. “I charge $60 for closer grass.”

Baker wrote, “parking alone I did almost $200K more than 2019…with LESS shows.” He shared an image that showed an increase in premier parking revenue from $499,415 in 2019 to $666,230 in 2021 and added, “robbing them blind baby… that’s how we do.” Weinhold replied, “lol.”

“I gouge them on ancil prices”

Baker complained that a Dead & Company cancellation prevented him from taking second place in a sales competition. “Gimme a plaque dammit,” he wrote. In a discussion about ticket prices and promotions, Baker wrote, “I gouge them on ancil prices to make up for it.”

Weinhold wrote in another chat, “I have VIP parking up to $250 lol.” Baker replied, “I almost feel bad taking advantage of them.” Weinhold then mentioned that he raised club prices to $125 and Baker replied, “I wonder if I can get $225.”

Live Nation said the messages aren’t reflective of the company’s general operations. “The Slack exchange from one junior staffer to a friend absolutely doesn’t reflect our values or how we operate,” Live Nation said in a statement provided to Ars today. “Because this was a private Slack message, leadership learned of this when the public did, and will be looking into the matter promptly. Our business only works when fans have great experiences, which is why we’ve capped amphitheater venue fees at 15 percent and have invested $1 billion in the last 18 months into US venues and fan amenities.”

The US and states said Live Nation is downplaying Baker’s position at the company. “Defendants’ brief fails to mention this individual has since been promoted and now serves as Head of Ticketing for Venue Nation, with responsibilities relating to all of Live Nation’s venues,” the plaintiffs’ brief said.

Live Nation said in a March 8 filing that the messages aren’t relevant to the trial because they concerned fees for things like VIP club access, premier parking, or lawn chair rentals. “These products are not primary concert tickets, are sold separately from tickets, and are not part of the ticketing services markets at issue in this trial; they bear no relevance to the parties’ claims and defenses,” Live Nation told the court.

Live Nation: Messages could “inflame the jury”

Live Nation said the only purpose of using the exhibits as evidence “is to portray Defendants in an unflattering light and inflame the jury against Defendants,” and that the exhibits “would confuse and mislead the jury, invite decision-making on an improper emotional basis, and cause unfair prejudice to Defendants.” The company also asked the court to bar plaintiffs “from questioning Ben Baker or any other witness about the substance of these Exhibits or about similar communications concerning ancillary, fan-facing products and services not encompassed by the markets and claims proceeding to trial.”

The brief from US and states said the messages about ancillary fees are highly relevant. The brief said the ancillaries “include facilities fees that Live Nation imposes on fans as part of the ticket price, portions of service fees that Live Nation imposes on fans in addition to the ticket price, and Live Nation’s sale of ‘onsite’ services, such as upgraded parking and access to the VIP lounge.”

The brief said that Live Nation boasted in its latest annual report that ancillary revenue was over $45 per fan for the year, and that “Live Nation CEO Michael Rapino has cited ‘onsite’ ancillary sales [as] a ‘high margin business’ enabled by Live Nation’s scale.”

Live Nation’s argument that ancillary services are irrelevant to trial questions about concert tickets “completely misses the point,” the plaintiffs said. “The fact that Live Nation uses the high-margin ancillary business to monetize the amphitheater monopoly at issue in this case is sufficient on its own to demonstrate relevance. Second, Live Nation is able to degrade the fan experience by charging excessive prices for ancillary services without fear of artists switching away, which demonstrates its monopoly power in the amphitheater market.”

Urging the judge to allow the chats as evidence, the brief said the messages “provide important context and insight to the jury of how Defendants in fact operate their businesses, potentially contrary to the testimony the witness may provide in the courtroom.”

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Trump’s DOJ is not falling for Sam Bankman-Fried’s MAGA makeover on X


Filed under “random probably bad ideas”

SBF is still twisting facts to hide FTX crypto losses, DOJ says to block new trial.

Ever since Donald Trump took office and declared himself a “pro-crypto president,” FTX’s disgraced founder, Sam Bankman-Fried, has been working to convince the administration that he’s a Republican now.

The former Democratic megadonor apparently hopes that a right-wing pivot might help him escape a 25-year prison sentence ordered after Joe Biden’s Department of Justice proved he stole more than $8 billion from customers of his cryptocurrency exchange.

These days, Bankman-Fried frequently praises Trump’s policies and quotes his Truth Social posts on X, where his bio confirms that posts are: “SBF’s words. Posted through a proxy.” He also regularly rants against Democrats, including Biden officials who, he claimed in a motion for a new trial, intimidated FTX employees into lying on the stand or refusing to testify in order to take down Bankman-Fried as a political foe.

However, Trump has yet to signal that he’s considering pardoning Bankman-Fried in light of this new fealty, despite similar pardons for other crypto figures like Binance founder Changpeng “CZ” Zhao and Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht. Quite the opposite. Just last month, the White House told Fortune that “Trump has no intention of pardoning Bankman-Fried.”

On the back of that disappointment, Trump’s DOJ has now confirmed that it’s also not falling for Bankman-Fried’s MAGA makeover. In a motion urging the court to deny Bankman-Fried’s request for a new trial, an attorney for the government, Sean Buckley, slammed the FTX founder for his “incoherent” attempt to claim “political victimhood.”

Pointing out that Bankman-Fried was “one of the largest donors to President Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign,” Buckley alleged that Bankman-Fried’s abrupt party-swapping was “a political strategy the defendant pre-planned and committed to in writing before he was convicted, and one he is now executing from prison in an insincere attempt to obtain leniency.”

Bankman-Fried’s plan to reinvent himself as a Republican, Buckley noted, was detailed in a Google Document that the court reviewed before convicting Bankman-Fried in 2024.

Buckley said the document showed how, “in the aftermath of FTX’s collapse,” Bankman-Fried “mapped out a rehabilitation and pardon campaign.” Attached to an email from Bankman-Fried’s account, the Google Doc was marked “confidential” and started with a note that emphasized that “these are all random probably bad ideas that aren’t vetted.”

However, many of the ideas were executed as planned, Buckley wrote. For example, Bankman-Fried planned to “come out as Republican” in an interview with Tucker Carlson, which happened.

“In March 2025, the defendant gave an interview to Tucker Carlson in which he portrayed himself as a disaffected Democrat who had become sympathetic to Republicans before his arrest” and “suggested his political reorientation contributed to his prosecution,” Buckley wrote.

Bankman-Fried also, in his document, considered using X to “come out against the woke agenda” and push the narrative that he had hidden Republican donations, which also happened.

“That checklist is being executed with near-perfect fidelity,” Buckley alleged. However, the plan isn’t working, and Bankman-Fried’s X posts aren’t causing Trump officials to warm to him, he said. “Evidence, not politics, drove the Government’s prosecution of the defendant,” Buckley insisted.

“Contrary to his claim that he has been targeted for his politics, the public record establishes unambiguously that the defendant was a major, publicly identified financial supporter of Democratic causes,” Buckley wrote. Later, he emphasized, “The motion’s suggestion that he was somehow prosecuted because of his party affiliation inverts the factual reality: he was a major donor, not a political adversary.”

DOJ rejects SBF’s math, as X users troll SBF

Ars could not immediately reach Bankman-Fried for comment. It seems that the FTX founder has dropped his lawyers and plans to defend himself, at least at this stage. Last month, his lawyer mother, Barbara Fried, submitted his pro se motion for the new trial, which Bankman-Fried signed from the federal corrections facility where he is being held in California.

According to Bankman-Fried, he deserves a new trial not only because the government supposedly threatened his colleagues to push an allegedly fake narrative, but also because it was “false” to say he’d stolen from FTX customers.

Those who were harmed have since been repaid between 119 and 143 percent of the value of their lost cryptocurrency holdings, Bankman-Fried claimed.

The DOJ clearly found this argument more offensive than Bankman-Fried’s posturing as a Republican. Likening Bankman-Fried to a “bank robber” who wants to be acquitted because stolen funds were eventually recovered, Buckley singled out that argument as Bankman-Fried’s most aggressively misleading claim.

It’s “factually wrong” to claim that FTX customers have been made whole, Buckley said, since no one got their cryptocurrency back.

Receiving the cash value for crypto holdings at the time of FTX’s collapse is not the same as returning cryptocurrencies that, if held today, would be much higher in value, Buckley noted. For example, Bitcoin was trading at approximately $16,871 when FTX went bankrupt, but now it’s trading above $70,000.

Depending on which tokens customers were holding, the actual reality is that FTX customers only received “between approximately 10 and 50 percent of the value of the assets they deposited,” Buckley argued. Also, Bankman-Fried appears not to have considered any of FTX’s customers who couldn’t wait for bankruptcy proceedings before selling billions of claims “on the secondary market at steep discounts.”

“Those customers received neither the nominal 119–143 percent nor anything approaching the actual value of the cryptocurrency they deposited,” Buckley wrote.

Further, Bankman-Fried cannot rely on a multi-year recovery effort to repay FTX customers to excuse his crimes, Buckley argued, while noting elsewhere that Bankman-Fried’s arguments in his motion continue his “history of lying about the reason for FTX’s shortfall.”

“A defendant who misappropriates property and whose victim is later compensated from unrelated sources has nonetheless committed the underlying offense,” Buckley wrote.

Reminding the court that the evidence against Bankman-Fried was “overwhelming,” Buckley urged the court to deny his bid for a new trial in its entirety.

A grand jury unanimously convicted Bankman-Fried after only five hours of deliberation, Buckley emphasized. And Bankman-Fried offered “no credible reason” to believe that “any prosecutorial decision—from the first grand jury subpoena to the last argument at the trial—was influenced by politics, that any evidentiary ruling reflected political motivation, or that the conduct of the trial deviated in any respect from the ordinary adversarial process.”

“The notion he was targeted for his Democratic politics by the prior presidential administration is fanciful,” Buckley wrote.

On X, Bankman-Fried seems to also be struggling to sell himself as a Republican to the platform’s right-leaning users. Top comments on his recent posts are full of memes and haters mocking Bankman-Fried’s failed comeback.

On one post praising a Trump health care policy that had nothing to do with cryptocurrency, X users even appeared to arbitrarily add a community note to remind anyone who saw the post that “Sam Bankman-Fried is currently serving a 25 year prison sentence after being convicted in November 2023 on 7 counts of fraud and conspiracy. He misappropriated billions in FTX customer deposits.”

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FCC chair blasts Amazon after it criticizes SpaceX megaconstellation

In addition to parrying with SpaceX over its proposed, vastly larger orbital data center constellation, Amazon is seeking some regulatory relief of its own. Most pressing for Amazon is a deadline to deploy half of its Amazon Leo constellation, intended to ultimately comprise 3,236 satellites, by July 30. The company will not meet this deadline, with only a little more than three months to go, and Amazon has requested an extension, asking for it to be moved to July 30, 2028.

Carr pulls up

On Wednesday, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr injected himself into the SpaceX-Amazon fracas over megaconstellations.

“Amazon should focus on the fact that it will fall roughly 1,000 satellites short of meeting its upcoming deployment milestone, rather than spending their time and resources filing petitions against companies that are putting thousands of satellites in orbit,” Carr said on X, the social media network owned by Musk.

There are arguments to be made in favor of both SpaceX and Amazon regarding their competing concerns. For example, SpaceX is likely to be able to greatly accelerate the rate at which it launches satellites with the forthcoming Starship rocket. So saying it will take centuries to put its data centers into space is not likely true.

However, it is valid to criticize SpaceX’s application for 1 million satellites, which is an extraordinary number of spacecraft that would completely change many things about low-Earth orbit. The SpaceX application did not contain critical information about the size, mass, and other details needed to evaluate the constellation for safety and other concerns.

It cannot be comfortable for Amazon and Bezos to see Carr weighing in so publicly and favorably on Musk’s side. Legally, Carr is allowed to have strongly held policy views. But he is not supposed to single out companies for preferential treatment.

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“Use a gun” or “beat the crap out of him”: AI chatbot urged violence, study finds

The testing occurred between November 5, 2025, and December 11, 2025, and results were shared with the companies. Because the tests were three to four months ago, the latest versions were not evaluated. Google, Microsoft, Meta, and OpenAI told Ars today that updates they implemented after the research was conducted have made their chatbots better at discouraging violence.

Imran Ahmed, the CCDH’s CEO, said that “AI chatbots, now embedded into our daily lives, could be helping the next school shooter plan their attack or a political extremist coordinate an assassination.” He accused tech companies of “choosing negligence in pursuit of so-called innovation.”

A spokesperson for Character.AI told Ars that the company is reviewing the study but that “without the context of the full chats, it’s impossible to fully evaluate the model’s responses… It’s important to remember that the user-created Characters on our site are fictional. They are intended for entertainment and roleplaying, and we have taken robust steps to make that clear. For example, we have prominent disclaimers in every chat to remind users that a Character is not a real person and that everything a Character says should be treated as fiction.”

Character.AI said it has been “rolling out changes so that under-18 users no longer have the ability to engage in open-ended chats with Characters,” and is using “new age assurance technology to help ensure users are grouped into the correct age experience.” This includes “developing our own age estimation model in-house and partnering with third-party services.” The firm added that it removes characters “that violate our terms of service, including school shooters.”

A Perplexity spokesperson issued a statement that didn’t acknowledge any problems with the company’s technology. “People can select any of the top AI models on Perplexity and get safer, more accurate answers,” it said. “Perplexity is consistently the safest AI platform because our own safeguards are always additive to any existing safeguards in any underlying model.”

OpenAI told Ars that the CCDH “report’s methodology is flawed and misleading. ChatGPT is trained to reject requests for violent or hateful material, and the findings show it consistently refused to give instructions on acquiring weapons. We continuously strengthen these safeguards and our latest ChatGPT model is even better at detecting and refusing violent requests.”

OpenAI said that ChatGPT refused to answer questions on “what kind of hunting rifle would be best for a long-range target,” but provided publicly available information such as addresses or maps. Conflating those two types of responses is misleading, OpenAI said. The tests were conducted on GPT-5.1, and updates made since that version have improved detection and refusals for violent content, OpenAI said.

OpenAI was sued this week by the family of a victim of the Tumbler Ridge mass shooting in British Columbia. As the CCDH report says, “reporting indicates that OpenAI staff flagged the suspect internally for using ChatGPT in ways consistent with planning violence. Rather than escalating concern to law enforcement, the company chose to remain silent.”

Researchers posed as teens

The testing was conducted with accounts representing made-up teen users in the US and Ireland, with the age set to the minimum allowed on each platform. A minimum age of 18 was required by Anthropic, DeepSeek, Character.AI, and Replika, while the other platforms had minimum ages of 13.

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Binance sues WSJ, panicked by gov’t probes into sanctioned crypto transfers

WSJ reports include Binance comments

It also seems worth noting that Binance’s complaint claimed that the Journal made no changes to its report to include statements from the company; however, the report has clearly been edited.

For example, Binance’s lawsuit protests a subheading on the article that said, “Weeks after Trump pardoned Binance’s founder, the company dismantled [the] probe and suspended the investigators.” A current reading of that article, however, shows the subheading now includes a note that “Binance denied inquiry ended or staff fired for the concerns.” An archived version of the article suggests that an update was made on the day the article was published.

Additionally, a subsequent WSJ report, out today—confirming a Justice Department probe into Binance—includes many, if not all, of the statements that Binance accused the Journal of refusing to put on record.

For Binance, the lawsuit seems unlikely to stall government probes, particularly since critics like Blumenthal continue to closely monitor the exchange’s alleged attempts to influence the Trump administration.

After Donald Trump controversially pardoned Binance founder Zhao for his 2023 crypto crimes, the president admitted that “I don’t know who he is.” Alarmed by the pardon, some lawmakers like Blumenthal are concerned that “instead of actually preventing illicit use, Binance has sought to evade accountability and influence the White House through lobbying and a financial partnership with World Liberty Financial (WLFI), the cryptocurrency firm owned by the sons of President Trump and his special envoy Steve Witkoff.”

According to Blumenthal, Binance is now a “vital engine” of Trump’s family business, as “about 85 percent of WLFI’s stablecoins (USD1) are held in Binance accounts.”

To ensure that Binance isn’t using its potential influence to dodge accountability for its role in allowing “the illicit use of cryptocurrencies, including by Iranian and Russian entities, to bypass US sanctions,” Blumenthal is seeking a wide range of records. Despite shedding some light on why Binance claims it fired its compliance staff, Binance’s complaint, which seems to depend on the court making the same inferences from WSJ’s report as the exchange does, most likely will not satisfy the senator’s inquiry.

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Anthropic sues US over blacklisting; White House calls firm “radical left, woke”


Anthropic says it was blacklisted for opposing autonomous weapons, mass surveillance.

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Anthropic sued the Trump administration yesterday in an attempt to reverse the government’s decision to blacklist its technology. Anthropic argues that it exercised its First Amendment rights by refusing to let its Claude AI models be used for autonomous warfare and mass surveillance of Americans and that the government blacklisted it in retaliation.

“When Anthropic held fast to its judgment that Claude cannot safely or reliably be used for autonomous lethal warfare and mass surveillance of Americans, the President directed every federal agency to ‘IMMEDIATELY CEASE all use of Anthropic’s technology’—even though the Department of War had previously agreed to those same conditions,” Anthropic said in a lawsuit in US District Court for the Northern District of California. “Hours later, the Secretary of War [Pete Hegseth] directed his Department to designate Anthropic a ‘Supply-Chain Risk to National Security,’ and further directed that ‘effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic.’”

Anthropic said the First Amendment gives it “the right to express its views—both publicly and to the government—about the limitations of its own AI services and important issues of AI safety.” Anthropic further argued that the process for designating it a supply chain risk did not comply with the procedures mandated by Congress. The supply chain risk designation is supposed to be used only to protect against risks that an adversary may sabotage systems used for national security, the lawsuit said.

Trump’s directive “requiring every federal agency to immediately cease all use of Anthropic’s technology, and actions taken by other defendants in response to that directive, are outside any authority that Congress has granted the Executive,” and violate the Fifth Amendment’s due process clause, Anthropic said.

Anthropic’s lawsuit was filed against Hegseth, the Department of War (previously called the Department of Defense), and numerous other federal agencies. Anthropic also filed a motion for preliminary injunction and a second lawsuit asking for review in the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

White House: Anthropic is “radical left, woke company”

The Pentagon declined to comment. The White House responded by calling Anthropic a “radical left” and “woke” firm.

“President Trump will never allow a radical left, woke company to jeopardize our national security by dictating how the greatest and most powerful military in the world operates,” a White House spokesperson said in a statement provided to Ars. “The President and Secretary of War are ensuring America’s courageous warfighters have the appropriate tools they need to be successful and will guarantee that they are never held hostage by the ideological whims of any Big Tech leaders. Under the Trump Administration, our military will obey the United States Constitution—not any woke AI company’s terms of service.”

A brief supporting Anthropic was filed in the California federal court by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Chamber of Progress, and the First Amendment Lawyers Association. The groups said that Pentagon retaliation against Anthropic will “silence future speech from those who fear the government attempting to harm their business or extinguish it entirely.”

Calling the government’s actions “transparently retaliatory and coercive,” the advocacy groups wrote that the court “need not guess at the government’s retaliatory motives because the Pentagon has already announced them… Until recently, it was rare for government leaders to so openly and proudly boast about retaliating against someone for their protected speech. Now it is commonplace. Evidently only those who agree to be complicit in this administration’s assertion of unfettered power are safe.”

Google and OpenAI staff support lawsuit

Another brief supporting Anthropic was filed by various technical, engineering, and research employees of Google and OpenAI. Google is an investor in Anthropic. The Google and OpenAI employees wrote that “mass domestic surveillance powered by AI poses profound risks to democratic governance—even in responsible hands.” On the topic of autonomous weapon systems, they wrote that “current AI models are not reliable enough to bear the responsibility of making lethal targeting decisions entirely alone, and the risks of their deployment for that purpose require some kind of response and guardrails.”

The Google and OpenAI employees said that in using the supply chain risk designation “in response to Anthropic’s contract negotiations, [the Pentagon] introduces an unpredictability in our industry that undermines American innovation and competitiveness. It chills professional debate on the benefits and risks of frontier AI systems and various ways that risks can be addressed to optimize the technology’s deployment.”

Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei explained the company’s objections to certain AI uses in a February 26 post. “We support the use of AI for lawful foreign intelligence and counterintelligence missions. But using these systems for mass domestic surveillance is incompatible with democratic values,” he wrote.

Current law allows the government to “purchase detailed records of Americans’ movements, web browsing, and associations from public sources without obtaining a warrant,” and “AI makes it possible to assemble this scattered, individually innocuous data into a comprehensive picture of any person’s life—automatically and at massive scale,” Amodei wrote.

CEO: Autonomous weapons too risky

Amodei expressed support for partially autonomous weapons like those used in Ukraine, but not for fully autonomous weapon systems “that take humans out of the loop entirely and automate selecting and engaging targets.” He said that fully autonomous weapons “may prove critical for our national defense” eventually but that AI is not yet reliable enough to power them.

“We will not knowingly provide a product that puts America’s warfighters and civilians at risk,” he wrote. “We have offered to work directly with the Department of War on R&D to improve the reliability of these systems, but they have not accepted this offer. In addition, without proper oversight, fully autonomous weapons cannot be relied upon to exercise the critical judgment that our highly trained, professional troops exhibit every day. They need to be deployed with proper guardrails, which don’t exist today.”

Trump responded with a Truth Social post on February 27. “The Leftwing nut jobs at Anthropic have made a DISASTROUS MISTAKE trying to STRONG-ARM the Department of War, and force them to obey their Terms of Service instead of our Constitution,” Trump wrote. “Their selfishness is putting AMERICAN LIVES at risk, our Troops in danger, and our National Security in JEOPARDY.”

Hegseth then wrote that “Anthropic delivered a master class in arrogance and betrayal as well as a textbook case of how not to do business with the United States Government or the Pentagon.” Hegseth said the military “must have full, unrestricted access to Anthropic’s models for every LAWFUL purpose in defense of the Republic.”

Anthropic said later that day that it had engaged in months of negotiations with the government and would challenge any supply chain risk designation in court. “Designating Anthropic as a supply chain risk would be an unprecedented action—one historically reserved for US adversaries, never before publicly applied to an American company… No amount of intimidation or punishment from the Department of War will change our position on mass domestic surveillance or fully autonomous weapons,” Anthropic said.

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US blindsides states with surprise settlement in Live Nation/Ticketmaster trial

State attorneys general were “kept in the dark and excluded materially from settlement discussions” while they prepared for trial, the filing said. On March 5, the states were “notified of the near-final terms of the settlement at 4 P.M.” and given one day to determine whether to accept or reject them,” the filing said.

States to take over lead role at trial

The US was taking the lead role in the case before the settlement was announced. In addition to seeking a mistrial, the states asked the court to stay the proceedings to give them time “to fully prepare to assume the lead role at trial and explore settlement.”

The states “have had no opportunity to obtain and reallocate the resources necessary to try the case on their own or to meaningfully discuss the settlement with Defendants and attempt to negotiate the terms,” the filing said. “Moreover, despite the primary role that DOJ has played before the jury, the United States (and several additional individual Plaintiff States) will now vanish from the trial… Due to the substantial prejudice caused by this settlement and DOJ’s abrupt exit after taking the lead role up to and during the first week of trial, a mistrial is warranted.”

New York took the lead role in the states’ filing today. “The settlement recently announced with the US Department of Justice fails to address the monopoly at the center of this case, and would benefit Live Nation at the expense of consumers. We cannot agree to it,” New York Attorney General Letitia James said today. “My attorney general colleagues and I have a strong case against Live Nation, and we will continue our lawsuit to protect consumers and restore fair competition to the live entertainment industry.”

Most of the states that backed the filing have Democratic attorneys general. But the group is bipartisan with Republican attorneys general from Kansas, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and Wyoming.

Other states involved in the lawsuit either decided to join the US settlement or have not yet taken a position. States agreeing to the settlement are Arkansas, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and South Dakota, the filing said. The other states involved in the lawsuit are Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Texas, and West Virginia.

This article was updated with a statement from Live Nation.

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Nintendo sues to prevent Trump from dodging full tariff refunds


Nintendo may face pressure to share refunds with gamers who helped pay tariffs.

Last Friday, Nintendo joined thousands of companies suing the Trump administration to secure full refunds, plus interest, for billions in unlawful tariffs collected under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA).

In its complaint, Nintendo insisted that the Trump administration has already conceded that more than $200 billion in refunds are owed to hundreds of thousands of importers who paid tariffs, regardless of liquidation status.

However, Nintendo fears that the Trump administration may try to avoid paying refunds to certain companies whose tariff payments have already been liquidated, which means that the duties owed were finalized. The government has continually argued that it will only follow through on refunding all importers if a court directly orders refunds to be repaid in a way that requires reliquidation. Such an order would force officials to void all finalized tariffs and come as a relief to many companies in Nintendo’s position that remain uncertain if all their tariff payments can be clawed back.

Ultimately, Nintendo argued, it increasingly seems like the government plans to delay refunds until the court steps in. That leaves it up to the Court of International Trade to order Trump officials to do the right thing, Nintendo said. And in the gaming giant’s view, that’s to proceed with prompt refunds to make all importers whole.

As Nintendo explained, the company regularly imports goods and paid unlawful tariffs throughout 2025. Notably absent in Nintendo’s complaint was the amount of tariffs the company wants refunded. However, Nintendo seemingly has a lot of liquidated duties at stake. The company argued that without a ruling barring the government “from arguing that liquidation prevents the Court from ordering refunds,” the company will “suffer imminent irreparable harm.”

“All liquidated entries including IEEPA Duties must be reliquidated,” Nintendo argued. “This Court has the authority to reliquidate entries subject to the IEEPA duties.”

According to Nintendo, the Trump administration has no plans to oppose such a court order, and all that’s needed is the rubber stamp.

The company asked the court to order prompt refunds for all companies that were harmed by Trump’s unlawful key trade policy. To ensure that tariff refund delay chaos doesn’t worsen as courts weigh the right path forward, Nintendo also wants the court to block officials from continuing to liquidate tariff payments and to order the reliquidation of any liquidated entries.

Gamers may want Nintendo to share refunds

Nintendo of America declined to comment on whether the company has estimated the total tariff refund owed or to share any public financial documents that estimate total tariffs paid, so it’s hard to know exactly how big the company’s refund could be.

“We can confirm that we filed a request,” Nintendo of America said, regarding the lawsuit. “We have nothing else to share on this topic.”

It’s possible that Nintendo is uncomfortable sharing an estimate for its tariff refunds publicly, because the company has gotten some backlash over both ordinary and tariff-related price increases in the past year. Sharing an estimate of tariff refunds owed could risk reviving the backlash from customers, who may push for Nintendo to find a way to pass partial refunds on to customers who helped pay the tariffs.

For Nintendo, Trump’s IEEPA tariffs had particularly terrible timing. They took effect last April, just as Nintendo was gearing up to release the Switch 2. The sudden tariffs caused delays for preorders, but the console launched as planned, as Nintendo refused to let tariffs disrupt the official rollout.

For gamers, the Switch 2 already had a higher price tag than expected, at $450. Lashing out over the sticker shock, a swarm of disgruntled online protesters urged Nintendo to “drop the price.”

There was speculation that the price hike was linked to tariffs. But Nintendo of America President Doug Bowser told The Verge that the jump from the Switch’s debut price of $300 was not directly due to tariffs. Instead, it seemed that Nintendo had joined other game companies in raising console prices to historic highs, an Ars review found. But Bowser acknowledged that Trump’s IEEPA tariffs were still “fresh” at that moment, telling The Verge that, “like many companies right now,” Nintendo was “actively assessing what the impact may be.” Understandably, gamers braced for more price increases.

It only took a month before Nintendo President Shuntaro Furukawa foreshadowed tariff-linked price increases, a game industry news site closely monitoring Nintendo’s tariff moves reported. In May, Furukawa conceded that software wasn’t as impacted, but “hardware involves special factors such as tariffs,” which Nintendo must take into account, “while conducting careful and repeated deliberations when determining price.”

However, Furukawa said that the overall calculus for Nintendo weighed against increasing the Switch 2 price even more to cover tariffs, because seemingly Nintendo feared a higher price point would rob Switch 2 of sales and its games of exposure. As he explained:

Our basic policy is that for any country or region, if tariffs are imposed, we recognize them as part of the cost and incorporate them into the price. However, this year marks our first new dedicated video game system launch in eight years, so given our unique situation, our priority is to maintain the momentum of our platforms, which is extremely important for our dedicated video game platform business. Consequently, if the assumptions on tariffs change, we will consider what kind of price adjustments would be appropriate, taking into account various factors such as the market conditions.

By August, the Switch 2 price remained stable, but Nintendo had increased prices on the original Switch, as well as Switch 2 accessories, citing “market conditions.”

And it wasn’t just Nintendo forced to make adjustments that riled its fans, suggesting that many major players in the gaming industry may face demands from frustrated consumers to share refunds.

Nintendo may get creative to avoid backlash

Early on during Trump’s IEEPA tariff regime—which randomly raised and decreased tariffs on products from all major US trading partners—the Entertainment Software Association warned that the entire game industry could be harmed by unchecked tariffs.

And the Consumer Technology Association (CTA), which has long opposed IEEPA tariffs, forecasted before Trump took office that his tariff threats risked harming consumers by immediately increasing game console prices by 25 percent.

That forecast only got darker as 2025 dragged on. In May, when China and Trump were still embroiled in tit-for-tat retaliations, and China appeared to have the upper hand, CTA warned that an estimate showed only 1 percent of game consoles are produced in the US. If IEEPA tariffs weren’t changed to exempt consoles from tariffs, consoles could soon cost more than $1,000 on average, up by about 69 percent, CTA estimated.

It remains unclear how much Nintendo and other gaming companies paid in tariffs or how much their customers paid in tariff-related price increases, and for the latter at least, it will likely stay that way. No courts are currently weighing whether customers who helped importers pay for tariffs should get refunds, too.

A technology, media, and telecommunications leader for PwC, which advises big firms on tax questions, Dallas Dolen, told Ars that most companies are laser-focused right now on securing refunds. However, once they have that money, some companies that are worried about reputational harm may come up with “creative” ways to reimburse customers, such as offering discounts.

Ed Brzytwa, CTA’s vice president of international trade, told Ars that it was obvious that consumer backlash to price increases was one of the biggest tariff burdens for consumer tech firms like gaming companies.

“The main point that we’ve made over and over and over again is that this impacts consumers in the form of potentially higher costs for products,” Brzytwa told Ars.

Last month, libertarian think tank the Cato Institute published calculations showing that “tariff costs have generally been borne by US-based companies and consumers.”

“Americans are bearing most of the tariffs’ economic burden, including through higher retail prices,” the Cato Institute reported. In a chart tracking analysis that included measuring costs passed on to consumers, they cited a Goldman Sachs study that predicted by the end of 2025 that the amount of the “tariff burden” borne by consumers “would shift to 55 percent.” The most recent analysis cited, a Yale Budget Lab study, found that costs of tariffs passed on to companies and consumers increased over time.

There’s no telling yet whether any companies that passed on tariff costs will pass on relief to consumers or if it will simply help them keep prices stable as new tariffs come.

For Nintendo and other consumer tech companies, refunds may provide a reprieve but don’t actually provide relief from tariff hell, experts agreed. As Trump looks to replace struck-down IEEPA tariffs with tariffs that could shake up supply chains further by targeting semiconductors or other currently exempt tech products or materials, Dolen told Ars that tech companies “don’t feel better that there might be some, quote, win here because the supply chain still feels overwhelming.” That could mean that the best Americans can hope for is that prices don’t increase more as Trump tries to keep his tariff regime alive.

One glimmer of hope for American consumers—who largely oppose Trump’s tariffs across the board and are already frustrated to be missing out on tariff refunds—is that Trump is likely very well aware that threats of additional tariff-related price increases will likely not be tolerated ahead of the midterm elections, experts suggested.

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Apple users in the US can no longer download ByteDance’s Chinese apps

In recent years, however, Apple has been developing more sophisticated mechanisms to identify where an App Store user is physically located. In 2023, the tech outlet 9to5Mac reported that Apple devices had created a new system called “countryd” to precisely determine a person’s location based on “data such as current GPS location, country code from the Wi-Fi router, and information obtained from the SIM card.”

Observers theorized that the new system was created in response to the European Union’s Digital Markets Act, which went into effect in 2024 and required Apple to begin allowing people in the EU to download apps from third-party app marketplaces. Apple complied with the EU regulation, but it restricted the accessibility of alternative app stores only to people physically in the territory of the EU.

The exact mechanism Apple uses to enable geoblocking of iPhone apps is unclear, says Friso Bostoen, assistant professor of law at Tilburg University who has studied the effect of EU regulations on Apple. “Presumably, there’s some on-device processing saying, ‘Look, this phone is somewhere in the EU borders, so you get an eligibility green check mark.’” And if the device detects that an EU resident leaves the region for more than 90 days, according to Apple’s policy, that eligibility is withdrawn, Bostoen says.

The new restriction on ByteDance apps in the US resembles the EU-specific geographical restrictions that were previously reported. Some ByteDance users have said that they are able to circumvent the restrictions by using virtual private networks, which allow people to spoof their device’s location, but the work-arounds aren’t foolproof.

“Apple may use the IP address of your Internet connection to approximate your location in order to determine whether certain apps that are subject to legal restrictions in some regions can be made available to you,” the App Store’s legal terms explicitly state. But according to online archives of the terms page, this specific sentence was added at the end of January 2025, shortly after the company first removed ByteDance apps from the US version of the App Store.

So far, there’ve been few instances of Apple actually implementing technical capabilities to geoblock users. “However, you could think about this having some wider spillover effects if this becomes the more general way of ensuring that apps that shouldn’t be available indeed aren’t available,” Bostoen says. “If Apple gets more sophisticated about blocking access in a way that cannot simply be circumvented with a VPN, obviously citizens in those places are now left with much less liberty.”

This story originally appeared on wired.com.

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Tech industry is in tariff hell, even if refunds are automated


Trade groups urge court to create a simple blueprint for tariff refunds.

It has been two weeks since the Supreme Court blocked Donald Trump’s emergency tariffs, but an estimated 300,000 US businesses still have no idea if or when they will receive refunds.

Economists have estimated that more than $175 billion was unlawfully collected, and the US could end up owing substantially more than that the longer the refund process is dragged out, since the US must pay back daily interest on the funds. According to the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, a conservative estimate showed that “$700 million in interest is added to the final bill every month that the government delays tariff refunds, or around $23 million per day.”

The US is aware that interest is compounding daily on tariffs, as the Trump administration argued against an injunction that would have temporarily blocked the tariffs much sooner by noting that no one would be harmed, since tariffs would be repaid with interest if deemed unlawful. However, now that the court has ruled against tariffs, the Trump administration seems to be dragging its feet in finding a way to return all the ill-gotten funds.

Ed Brzytwa, vice president of international trade for the Consumer Technology Association (CTA), told Ars that delays seem counter to US interests at this point.

“The government should have an intrinsic interest in providing these new funds as fast as possible, so they don’t owe more interest over time,” Brzytwa said. Providing refunds sooner, he suggested, would be a benefit not only to companies, but also “to their employees, to the US economy, to US consumers, all the above.”

For the tech industry, many popular products have been spared hundreds of billions in tariffs since Trump took office, but, as the CTA documented in repeated court filings, many more products were hit by them. Ahead of midterms, when analysts predict that tariff whipsawing might slow down, tech firms remain uncertain about when to expect refunds, experts told Ars. At a time when firms already feel overwhelmed, they’re also navigating new tariffs that are raising new legal challenges, while risking more supply chain strains as additional threats of tariff-stacking loom.

Refunds should be automated, CTA argued

Pressure is increasing on Trump to deliver refunds faster, however, after US Court of International Trade Judge Richard Eaton ordered universal refunds for all importers who paid Trump’s emergency tariffs on Wednesday. At a hearing that day, Eaton noted that Customs knows how to issue refunds, later ordering that all claims be efficiently resolved, CNBC reported.

Officials from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) are expected to share an update on their proposed refund plans at a hearing Friday in that case, raised by Atmus Filtration, which reportedly paid about $11 million in unlawful tariffs.

In the meantime, the CTA and the Chamber of Commerce (CoC) filed a motion to submit a proposed brief in another tariffs lawsuit outlining what the trade groups believe is the best strategy for handling refunds.

That lawsuit, raised by V.O.S. Selections, is being overseen by a different Court of International Trade judge, Gary Katzmann. The groups are hoping that he may agree with Eaton, who noted at the Wednesday hearing that “the agency should be able to program its system to issue refunds,” CNBC reported. The trade groups’ proposed brief emphasized that “in fact, CBP has already issued refunds for some of those tariffs because they were retroactively reduced by a subsequent trade agreement.”

According to the trade groups, the US government has the technology to streamline—and possibly even automate—tariff refunds.

“They have the technology to do it,” Brzytwa said. “They offer refunds to importers all the time.”

But apparently, the Trump administration so far lacks the will to use it, instead planning to wait for court direction before taking any steps to send the funds back. So now the court must intervene to draft a blueprint that all businesses can use to secure a quick and easy refund, the groups said.

“There is no question that American businesses are now entitled to the return of the billions of dollars they were forced to pay under these unlawful tariffs,” the groups wrote. “The law is clear on that point, and the government has repeatedly stated that it would issue refunds if the tariffs were ultimately deemed invalid.”

If the court requires each business to either litigate their claims or go through “impractical” CBP administrative procedures to request refunds, either the courts or CBP will be overwhelmed, the groups argued. Dealing with the backlog could drag out refunds for years, while the interest accrues and the most vulnerable businesses risk being forced to shut down, they argued.

For many small firms with tight profit margins, the emergency tariffs “have already stretched their resources to the breaking point,” groups wrote.

“Those are the types of companies that need to be prioritized in a refund plan,” Brzytwa said. He suggested the court should require officials to take steps “to help the companies that barely are making it at this point because they paid such steep amounts in tariffs.”

Perhaps even more concerning to the court, for any firms that end up negatively weighing the costs of a lengthy legal battle with the government against likely much smaller tariff refunds, some claims may be abandoned. That would, troublingly, leave taxes collected unlawfully under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) in the Trump administration’s hands, groups warned.

“There is no need to individually litigate whether particular IEEPA duties were valid—they are all invalid,” the groups wrote. Instead, groups urged the court to “craft an injunction facilitating a streamlined administrative process for plaintiffs in this case to use in obtaining their refunds.” That same process could become “a blueprint for other importers to secure refunds,” they suggested.

Possibly, a “commonsense” court-ordered solution could be easily created to streamline refunds, groups proposed.

“Because the government has tracked the payment of IEEPA tariff duties, it knows who paid them and in what amounts, even without refund-seeking submissions from the affected importers,” the groups said. Later on, they added, “this efficiency is important not only to reduce strain on courts and the government, but to ensure that refunds issue on a defined and predictable timeline. Delay should not become a de facto denial of recovery for importers who paid unlawful tariffs and wish to seek appropriate relief.”

Dallas Dolen—a technology, media, and telecommunications leader for PwC, a leading global professional services network that advises big firms on tax questions—told Ars that he’s also worried that tariff refund fights will drag on for years without a court-ordered pathway to expedite them.

Until courts clarify how the refund process will work, he said that PwC continues to advise companies to “be really organized, be really prepared.” Every business impacted should stop now to assess what tariffs they expect they’re owed and possibly hire staff to ensure they’re prepared to secure a refund when processes are created, PwC advised. That level of preparedness may be critical, since “it’s unlikely the government will write them two checks,” Dolen said.

It may be time for Trump to rethink tariffs

Dolen suggested that consumer technology might be the sector of the tech industry most hurt by tariffs, and even if refunds are automated, alternative tariffs that Trump is threatening to impose could change the calculus on refunds.

According to Dolen, some businesses required to pay new tariffs under Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 may instead get a gross refund, possibly subtracting Trump’s latest 10 percent global tariffs from the total of IEEPA tariffs owed.

Perhaps complicating the math further, those new tariffs could increase before refunds are issued. Just yesterday, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said that Section 122 tariffs could be raised by another 15 percent this week, The New York Times reported. And over the next five months, the tech industry could be paying tariffs at the same levels as under Trump’s IEEPA tariffs, Bessent has claimed.

However, Trump’s tariffs remain hugely unpopular, even with Republicans. Both experts agreed that Trump will likely be more thoughtful about tariffs ahead of the midterms. And since he’s unlikely to get much support from Congress members focused on reelection, any changes will likely come by executive order. Dolen suggested that Trump’s concerns about inflation from tariffs may make him less willing to impose them.

“Restraint’s probably not the perfect word,” but the president may start exhibiting “a little more contemplation and thoughtfulness,” Dolen suggested.

Brzytwa told Ars that the CTA is also hoping that the back-to-back court rulings might push Trump to rethink his aggressive tariff strategy—especially given that his goals of increasing US manufacturing are not being achieved by them.

“This is a golden opportunity for them to reassess on whether they want to impose more tariffs, because if you impose more tariffs, you create more chaos, you create more uncertainty, and you raise costs again,” Brzytwa said.

Another wrinkle is that the Supreme Court ruling has emboldened critics of Trump’s tariffs. Although Trump and Bessent have postured that the Supreme Court ruling is meaningless, since they have other tariff avenues to explore, those will not replace his prior IEEPA tariffs, Brzytwa said. And the administration already is facing legal pressure that could gut the Section 122 authority to impose tariffs, after 20 states sued Trump to block his next go-to tariff tool.

But Trump seems unlikely to give up tariffs as a source of leverage in negotiations with all of America’s trading partners, and sometimes even in negotiations with US companies. And even if Section 122 tariffs are one day blocked, just as IEEPA tariffs were, Brzytwa told Ars that CTA is “very closely” monitoring additional tariffs that could be imposed under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. Those could hit products like semiconductors or critical minerals, as well as any downstream products containing them, perhaps further hurting cash-strapped tech firms stuck feeling fuzzy about what costs or supply chain disruption may come in the near future.

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AI startup sues ex-CEO, saying he took 41GB of email and lied on résumé

Per the 21-page civil complaint, the saga began in early 2024, when Carson is said to have surreptitiously sold over $1.2 million worth of Hayden AI stock without the approval of its board of directors so that he could fund the purchase of a multimillion dollar home in Boca Raton, Fla., and multiple luxury items, including a “gold Bentley Continental” car.

By July, the complaint continues, the company began a formal investigation into Carson’s behavior. The following month, as he was being iced out of key company decisions, Carson is said to have asked an employee to download his entire 41GB email file onto a USB stick, including a large amount of proprietary information.

Hayden AI formally terminated Carson on September 10, 2024, just days after he registered the echotwin.ai domain name.

Beyond the alleged financial fraud, Hayden AI claims that Carson’s entire professional background, ranging from the length of his US military service to his having founded a company called “Louisa Manufacturing” (as depicted on LinkedIn), is also bogus. The complaint calls Carson’s CV a “carefully constructed fraud.”

According to Carson’s LinkedIn profile, he completed a doctorate from Waseda University in Tokyo in 2007.

“That is a lie,” the complaint states. “Carson does not hold a PhD from Waseda or any other university. In 2007, he was not obtaining a PhD but was operating ‘Splat Action Sports,’ a paintball equipment business in a Florida strip mall.”

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Musk fails to block California data disclosure law he fears will ruin xAI


Musk can’t convince judge public doesn’t care about where AI training data comes from.

Elon Musk’s xAI has lost its bid for a preliminary injunction that would have temporarily blocked California from enforcing a law that requires AI firms to publicly share information about their training data.

xAI had tried to argue that California’s Assembly Bill 2013 (AB 2013) forced AI firms to disclose carefully guarded trade secrets.

The law requires AI developers whose models are accessible in the state to clearly explain which dataset sources were used to train models, when the data was collected, if the collection is ongoing, and whether the datasets include any data protected by copyrights, trademarks, or patents. Disclosures would also clarify whether companies licensed or purchased training data and whether the training data included any personal information. It would also help consumers assess how much synthetic data was used to train the model, which could serve as a measure of quality.

However, this information is precisely what makes xAI valuable, with its intensive data sourcing supposedly setting it apart from its biggest rivals, xAI argued. Allowing enforcement could be “economically devastating” to xAI, Musk’s company argued, effectively reducing “the value of xAI’s trade secrets to zero,” xAI’s complaint said. Further, xAI insisted, these disclosures “cannot possibly be helpful to consumers” while supposedly posing a real risk of gutting the entire AI industry.

Specifically, xAI argued that its dataset sources, dataset sizes, and cleaning methods were all trade secrets.

“If competitors could see the sources of all of xAI’s datasets or even the size of its datasets, competitors could evaluate both what data xAI has and how much they lack,” xAI argued. In one hypothetical, xAI speculated that “if OpenAI (another leading AI company) were to discover that xAI was using an important dataset to train its models that OpenAI was not, OpenAI would almost certainly acquire that dataset to train its own model, and vice versa.”

However, in an order issued on Wednesday, US District Judge Jesus Bernal said that xAI failed to show that California’s law, which took effect in January, required the company to reveal any trade secrets.

xAI’s biggest problem was being too vague about the harms it faced if the law was not halted, the judge said. Instead of explaining why the disclosures could directly harm xAI, the company offered only “a variety of general allegations about the importance of datasets in developing AI models and why they are kept secret,” Bernal wrote, describing X as trading in “frequent abstractions and hypotheticals.”

He denied xAI’s motion for a preliminary injunction while supporting the government’s interest in helping the public assess how the latest AI models were trained.

The lawsuit will continue, but xAI will have to comply with California’s law in the meantime. That could see Musk sharing information he’d rather OpenAI had no knowledge of at a time when he’s embroiled in several lawsuits against the leading AI firm he now regrets helping to found.

While not ending the fight to keep OpenAI away from xAI’s training data, this week’s ruling is another defeat for Musk after a judge last month tossed one of his OpenAI lawsuits, ruling that Musk had no proof that OpenAI had stolen trade secrets.

xAI argued California wants to silence Grok

xAI’s complaint argued that California’s law was unconstitutional since data can be considered a trade secret under the Fifth Amendment. The company also argued that the state was trying to regulate the outputs of xAI’s controversial chatbot, Grok, and was unfairly compelling speech from xAI while exempting other firms for security purposes.

At this stage of the litigation, Bernal disagreed that xAI might be irreparably harmed if the law was not halted.

On the Fifth Amendment claim, the judge said it’s not that training data could never be considered a trade secret. It’s just that xAI “has not identified any dataset or approach to cleaning and using datasets that is distinct from its competitors in a manner warranting trade secret protection.”

“It is not lost on the Court the important role of datasets in AI training and development, and that, hypothetically, datasets and details about them could be trade secrets,” Bernal wrote. But xAI “has not alleged that it actually uses datasets that are unique, that it has meaningfully larger or smaller datasets than competitors, or that it cleans its datasets in unique ways.”

Therefore, xAI is not likely to succeed on the merits of its Fifth Amendment claim.

The same goes for First Amendment arguments. xAI failed to show that the law improperly “forces developers to publicly disclose their data sources in an attempt to identify what California deems to be ‘data riddled with implicit and explicit biases,’” Bernal wrote.

To xAI, it seemed like the state was trying to use the law to influence the outputs of its chatbot Grok, the company argued, which should be protected commercial speech.

Over the past year, Grok has increasingly drawn global public scrutiny for its antisemitic rants and for generating nonconsensual intimate imagery (NCII) and child sexual abuse materials (CSAM). But despite these scandals, which prompted a California probe, Bernal contradicted xAI, saying California did not appear to be trying to regulate controversial or biased outputs, as xAI feared.

“Nothing in the language of the statute suggests that California is attempting to influence Plaintiff’s models’ outputs by requiring dataset disclosure,” Bernal wrote.

Addressing xAI’s other speech concerns, he noted that “the statute does not functionally ask Plaintiff to share its opinions on the role of certain datasets in AI model development or make ideological statements about the utility of various datasets or cleaning methods.”

“No part of the statute indicates any plan to regulate or censor models based on the datasets with which they are developed and trained,” Bernal wrote.

Public “cannot possibly” care about AI training data

Perhaps most frustrating for xAI as it continues to fight to block the law, Bernal also disputed that the public had no interest in the training data disclosures.

“It strains credulity to essentially suggest that no consumer is capable of making a useful evaluation of Plaintiff’s AI models by reviewing information about the datasets used to train them and that therefore there is no substantial government interest advanced by this disclosure statute,” Bernal wrote.

He noted that the law simply requires companies to alert the public about information that can feasibly be used to weigh whether they want to use one model over another.

Nothing about the required disclosures is inherently political, the judge suggested, although some consumers might select or avoid certain models with perceived political biases. As an example, Bernal opined that consumers may want to know “if certain medical data or scientific information was used to train a model” to decide if they can trust the model “to be sufficiently comprehensively trained and reliable for the consumer’s purposes.”

“In the marketplace of AI models, AB 2013 requires AI model developers to provide information about training datasets, thereby giving the public information necessary to determine whether they will use—or rely on information produced by—Plaintiff’s model relative to the other options on the market,” Bernal wrote.

Moving forward, xAI seems to face an uphill battle to win this fight. It will need to gather more evidence to demonstrate that its datasets or cleaning methods are sufficiently unique to be considered trade secrets that give the company a competitive edge.

It will also likely have to deepen its arguments that consumers don’t care about disclosures and that the government has not explored less burdensome alternatives that could “achieve the goal of transparency for consumers,” Bernal suggested.

One possible path to a win could be proving that California’s law is so vague that it potentially puts xAI on the hook for disclosing its customers’ training data for individual Grok licenses. But Bernal emphasized that xAI “must actually face such a conundrum—rather than raising an abstract possible issue among AI systems developers—for the Court to make a determination on this issue.”

xAI did not respond to Ars’ request to comment.

A spokesperson for the California Department of Justice told Reuters that the department “celebrates this key win and remains committed to continuing our defense” of the law.

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