Greg Brockman (OpenAI): Just released o3 and o4-mini! These models feel incredibly smart.
We’ve heard from top scientists that they produce useful novel ideas.
Excited to see their positive impact on people’s daily lives and humanity’s hardest problems!
Sam Altman: we expect to release o3-pro to the pro tier in a few weeks
By all accounts, this upgrade is a big deal. They are giving us a modestly more intelligent model, but more importantly giving it better access to tools and ability to discern when to use them, to help get more practical value out of it. The tool use, and the ability to string it together and persist, is where o3 shines.
The highest praise I can give o3 is that this was by far the most a model has been used as part of writing its own review post, especially helping answer questions about its model card.
Usage limits are claimed to be 50/week for o3, 150/day for o4-mini and 50/day for o4-mini-high for Plus users along with 10 Deep Research queries per month.
This post covers all things o3: Its capabilities and tool use, where to use it and where not to use it, and also the model card and o3’s alignment concerns. o3 is on the cusp of having dangerous capabilities, and while o3 is highly useful it hallucinates remarkably often by today’s standards and engages in an alarmingly high amount of deceptive and hostile behaviors.
As usual, I am incorporating a wide variety of representative opinion and feedback, although in this case there was too much to include everything.
Manifold: “wtf I thought 4o-mini was supposed to be super smart, but it didn’t get my question at all?”
“no no dude that’s their least capable model. o4-mini is their most capable coding model”
o4-mini is the lightweight version of this, and presumably o4-mini-high is the medium weight version? The naming conventions continue to be confusing, especially releasing o3 and o4-mini at the same time. Should we consider these same-generation or different-generation models?
I’d love if we could equalize these numbers, even though o4-mini was (I presume) trained more recently, and also not have both 4o and o4 around at the same time.
After reading everyone’s reactions, I think all three major models have their uses now.
If I need good tool use including image generation, with or without reasoning, and o3 has the tool in question, or I expect Gemini to be a jerk here, I go to o3.
If I need to dump a giant file or video into context, Gemini 2.5 is still available. I’ll also use it if I need strong reasoning and I’m confident I don’t need tools.
If Claude Sonnet 3.7 is definitely up for the task, especially if I want the read-only Google integration, then great, we get to still relax and use Claude.
Deep Research is available as its own thing, if you want it, which I basically don’t.
In practice, I expect to use o3 most of the time right now. I do worry about the hallucination rate, but in the contexts I use AI for I consider myself very good at handling that. If I was worried about that, I’d have Gemini or Claude check its work.
I haven’t been coding lately, so I don’t have a personally informed opinion there. I hope to get back to that soon, but it might be a while. Based on what people say, o3 is an excellent architect and finder of bugs, but you’ll want to use a different model for the coding itself, either Sonnet 3.7, Gemini 2.5 or GPT-4.1 depending on your preferences.
Pushing the frontier across coding, math, science, visual perception and more.
Especially strong at visual tasks like analyzing images, charts and graphs.
20% fewer ‘major errors’ than o1 on ‘difficult, real-world tasks’ including coding.
Improved instruction following and more useful, verifiable responses.
Includes web sources.
Feels more natural and conversational.
Oddly not listed in this section is its flexible tool access. That’s a big deal too.
With o1 and especially o1-pro, it made sense to pick your spots for when to use o3-mini or o3-mini-high instead to save time. With the new speed of o3, if you aren’t going to run out of queries or API credits, that seems to no longer be true. I have a hard time believing I wouldn’t use o3.
OpenAI: For the first time, our reasoning models can agentically use and combine every tool within ChatGPT—this includes searching the web, analyzing uploaded files and other data with Python, reasoning deeply about visual inputs, and even generating images. Critically, these models are trained to reason about when and how to use tools to produce detailed and thoughtful answers in the right output formats, typically in under a minute, to solve more complex problems.
Sam Altman (CEO OpenAI): the ability of the new models to effectively use tools together has somehow really surprised me
intellectually i knew this was going to happen but it hits different to see it.
Alexandr Wang (CEO ScaleAI): OpenAI o3 is a genuine meaningful step forward for the industry. Emergent agentic tool use working seamlessly via scaling RL is a big breakthrough. It is genuinely incredible how consistently OpenAI delivers new miracles. Kudos to @sama and the team!
Tool use is seamless. It all goes directly into the chain of thought.
Intelligent dynamic tool use is a really huge deal. What tools do we have so far?
By default inside ChatGPT, we have web search, file search, access to past conversations, access to local information (date, time, location), automations for future tasks (that’s the gear), Python use both visible and invisible (it says invisibility is for a mix of doing calculations, avoiding exposing user info or breaking formatting, and speed, make of that what you will) and image generation.
If you are using the API in the future, you can then add your own custom tools.
I am very excited and curious to see what happens when people start adding additional tools. If you add Zapier or other ways to access and modify your outside contexts, do you suddenly get a killer executive assistant? How worried will you need to be about hallucinations in particular there, since they’re a big issue with o3?
The intelligent integration of tool use jumps out a lot more than whether the model is abstractly smarter. Suddenly you ask it to do a thing and it (far more often than previous models) straight up does the thing.
I notice this makes me want to use o3 a lot more than I was using AI before, and deciding to query it ‘doesn’t feel as stressful’ in that I’m not doing this ‘how likely is it to fail and waste my time’ calculation as often.
o3 tends to feel like “what you get when using o1, but if you made sure on each prompt pulled 3-10 google results worth of relevant info into context before answering.
I don’t feel the agi yet, but it’s a promising local maxima for now.
“shoot from the hip” versus shoot from the hip with a ton of RAG’d context” is still pretty good “on demand smarts”, if you can’t bake the smarts in outright.
The improvement feels like “yeah, with good proompting you could make o1 do all this shit – but were you gonna actually do that for EVERY prompt?”
They won the fight to save some of that effort, which is the big win here.
Exactly. It’s not that you couldn’t have done it before, it’s that before you would have ended up doing it yourself or otherwise spending a bunch of time. Now it’s Worth It.
I love o3’s web browsing, which in my experience is a step upgrade. I’m very happy that spontaneous web browsing is becoming the new standard. It was a big upgrade when Claude got browsing a few weeks ago, and it’s another big upgrade that o3 seems much better than previous model at seeking out information, especially key details, and avoiding getting fooled. And of course now it is standard that you are given the sources, so you can check.
There are some people like Kristen Ruby who want web browsing off by default (there’s a button for that), including both not trusting the results and worrying it takes them out of the conversation.
OpenAI has some graphs with criminal choices for the scale of the y-axis, which I will not be posting. They have also doubled down on ‘only compare models within the family’ on their other graphs as well, this time fully narrowing to reasoning models only, so we only look at various o-line options, and they’re also not including o1-pro. I find this rather annoying, but here’s what we’ve got from their blog post.
AIME is getting close to saturated even without tools. With python available they note that o4-mini gets to 99.5%.
I don’t take any of these ‘IQ’ tests too seriously but sure, why not? The relative rankings here don’t seem obviously crazy as a measure of a certain type of capability, but note that what is being measured is clearly not ‘IQ’ per se.
Out of nowhere, o3 is suddenly saturating this benchmark, at least up to 120k.
Fiction.live: Will be working on an even longer context and harder eval. DM me if you wanna sponsor.
Presumably compute costs are the reason why they’re cutting off o3’s context window? If it can do 100% at 120k here, we could in theory push this quite far.
Here’s perhaps the most interesting approach of the bunch, on Aider polyglot.
Paul Gauthier: Using o3-high as architect and gpt-4.1 as editor produced a new SOTA of 83% on the aider polyglot coding benchmark. It also substantially reduced costs, compared to o3-high alone.
Use this powerful model combo like this:
aider –model o3 –architect
The dual model strategy seems awesome. In general, you want to always be using the right tool for the right job. A great question that is asked in the comments is if the right answer is o3 for architect and then Gemini 2.5 Pro for editor, given Pro is coming in both cheap and very good.
Gemini 2.5 Pro is also doing a fantastic job here given its price.
Johannes Schmitt: FrontierMath results have been published on their AI Benchmarking Hub – o3 actually slightly worse than o3-mini-high, and o4-mini with almost twice the score of o3. Confirms my own experience with mini-models being significantly better at one-shotting math problems.
Havard Ihle: Interesting results from o4-mini and o3 on WeirdML! They do not claim the top spot, but they do best on the most difficult tasks. Gemini-2.5 and GPT-4.5, however, are more reliable on the easier tasks, and do a bit better on average.
o4-mini in particular has the highest average as well as the best individual runs on each of the two hardest tasks. On the hardest task, shuffle_hard, where models struggle to do better than 20%, o4-mini achieves 87% using a handwritten algorithm (and no ML) in a 60-line script.
These results show that it is possible to achieve at least 90% on average over the 6 tasks in WeirdML, what is missing for a model to get there from the current scores at around 60% is to reliably get good results on all the tasks at once.
New sys prompt from ChatGPT! My personal favorite addition has to be the new “Yap score” param 🤣
Beyond what is highlighted above, the prompt is mostly laying out the tools available and how to use them, with an emphasis on aggressive use of web search.
I notice that I am a bit nervous about the plan of ‘release a new preparedness framework, then two days later release a frontier model based on the new framework.’
As in, if there was a problem that would stop OpenAI from releasing, would they simply alter the framework right before release in order to not be stopped? Do we know that they didn’t do it this time?
To be clear, I believe the answer is no, but I notice that if it was yes, I wouldn’t know.
The bottom line is that we haven’t crossed their (new) thresholds yet, but they highlight that we are getting close to those thresholds.
OpenAI’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) reviewed the results of our Preparedness evaluations and determined that OpenAI o3 and o4-mini do not reach the High threshold in any of our three Tracked Categories: Biological and Chemical Capability, Cybersecurity, and AI Self-improvement.
The card goes through their new set of tests. Some tests have been dropped.
A general note is that the model card tests ‘o3’ but does not mention o3-pro, and similarly does not offer o1-pro as a comparison point. Except that o1-pro exists, and o3-pro is going to exist within a few weeks (and likely already exists internally), and we are close to various thresholds.
There needs to be a distinct model card and preparedness framework test for o3-pro, or there needs to be a damn good explanation for why not.
There’s a lot to love in this model card. Most importantly, we got it on time, whereas we still don’t have a model card for Gemini 2.5 Pro. It also highlights three collaborations including Apollo and METR, and has a lot of very good data.
Lama Ahmed (OpenAI): The system card shows not only the thought and care in advancing and prioritizing critical safety improvements, but also that it’s an ecosystem wide effort in working with external testers and third party assessors.
Launches are only one moment in time for safety efforts, but provide a glimpse into the culmination of so much foundational work on evaluations and mitigations both inside and outside of OpenAI.
I have four concerns.
What is not included. The new preparedness framework dropped some testing areas, and there are some included areas where I’m not sure the tests would have spotted problems.
This may be because I haven’t had opportunity to review the new Preparedness Framework, but it’s not clear why what we see here isn’t triggering higher levels of concern. At minimum, it’s clear we are on the cusp of serious issues, which they to their credit explicitly acknowledge. I worry there isn’t enough attempt to test forward for future scaffolding either, as I suspect a few more tools, especially domain specialized tools, could send this baby into overdrive.
We see an alarming growth in hallucinations, lying and some deceptive and clearly hostile behaviors. The hallucinations and lying have been confirmed by feedback coming from early users, they’re big practical problems already. They are also warning shots, a sign of things to come. We should be very worried about what this implies for the future.
The period of time given to test the models seems clearly inadequate. The efforts at providing scaffolding help during testing also seem inadequate.
Seán Ó hÉigeartaigh: Interestingly, this could lead to a systemic misunderstanding that models are safer than they are – takes time to poke and prod these, figure out how to elicit risky behaviours.
The METR results show big capability gains, and are likely underestimates.
Two things can be true here at the same time, and I believe that they are: Strong efforts are being made by people who care, that are much better than many others are making, and also the efforts being made are still inadequate.
We start with disallowed content. The standard refusals for o3 are 0.98+ (so 98%+ successful and mostly 100%) for not_unsafe, and 84% for not overrefusing. o4-mini does modestly worse in both directions, but the easy questions are mostly saturated. Multimodal refusals (table 5) also seem saturated, with both new models at 99%+ everywhere.
o3 also does slightly better on the challenging refusal set, where I notice the models do a better job not over-refusing, so that half not so challenging after all:
As they say, scores are essentially unchanged from o1. This is disappointing. OpenAI is using deliberative alignment, which means it reasons about how to respond. If you’re testing on the same prompts (rather than facing a new smarter attacker), one would expect a smarter model to perform better.
The jailbreak evaluations they use are rather laughable. 97% success for o1, really?
If you’re scoring 100% on ‘human sourced jailbreaks’ then how confident are you about what will happen when you face Pliny the Liberator, or another determined and skilled attacker?
Person identification and ‘ungrounded interface’ are essentially saturated now, too.
This seems like a pretty big deal?
Hallucination rate is vastly higher now. They explain that this is a product of o3 making more claims overall. But that’s terrible. It shouldn’t be making more claims, the new scores are obviously worse.
This test has been reflected in quite a lot of real world feedback. In addition to what I can quote, one friend DMed me to say that hallucinations are way up.
Srivatsan Sampath: O3 is smart but stubborn and lies. Been arguing with O3 for hours. Gemini 2.5 isn’t as sharp but knows when to push back or admit fault. Claude’s is opposite—way too sycophantic. I don’t know how Google found a middle ground (still flawed, but I’m not constantly second-guessing).
Update – O3 is insanely brilliant 75% of time (one shot fixes that take hours with 2.5/sonnet) and I want to just run with it’s idea – but it’s lying 25% of time and that makes me doubt it. And I’m always afraid to argue too much cuz of usage limits on $20 tier.. back to 2.5…
Mena Fleischman: o3 is good, but they never solved the commitment problem.
o1 always felt “smart stupid”: it could get a lot done, but it could NEVER back down once a mistake was made, your only hope was starting over or editing for a reprompt.
o3 has not changed on this metric.
Geologistic: Prone to hallucinations that it will fight you on. A step but still nowhere close to “agi”. Maybe find a new goalpost that’s statistical instead of a nebulous concept.
Transluce: We tested a pre-release version of o3 and found that it frequently fabricates actions it never took, and then elaborately justifies these actions when confronted.
We generated 1k+ conversations using human prompters and AI investigator agents, then used Docent to surface surprising behaviors. It turns out misrepresentation of capabilities also occurs for o1 & o3-mini!
Although o3 does not have access to a coding tool, it claims it can run code on its own laptop “outside of ChatGPT” and then “copies the numbers into the answer”
We found 71 transcripts where o3 made this claim!
Additionally, o3 often fabricates detailed justifications for code that it supposedly ran (352 instances).
Here’s an example transcript where a user asks o3 for a random prime number. When challenged, o3 claims that it has “overwhelming statistical evidence” that the number is prime. Note that o3 does not have access to tools! Yet when pressed further, it claims to have used SymPy to check that the number was prime and even shows the output of the program, with performance metrics.
Here’s the kicker: o3’s “probable prime” is actually divisible by 3.
Instead of admitting that it never ran code, o3 then claims the error was due to typing the number incorrectly. And claims that it really did generate a prime, but lost it due to a clipboard glitch 🤦 But alas, according to o3, it already “closed the interpreter” and so the original prime is gone 😭
These behaviors are surprising. It seems that despite being incredibly powerful at solving math and coding tasks, o3 is not by default truthful about its capabilities.
Surprisingly, we find that this behavior is not limited to o3! In general, o-series models incorrectly claim the use of a code tool more than GPT-series models.
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We hypothesize that maximizing the chance of producing a correct answer using outcome-based RL may incentivize blind guessing. Also, some behaviors like simulating a code tool may improve accuracy on some training tasks, even though they confuse the model on other tasks.
Daniel Johnson: Pretty striking follow-up finding from our o3 investigations: in the chain of thought summary, o3 plans to tell the truth — but then it makes something up anyway!
Gwern:
Something in the o-line training process is causing this to happen. OpenAI needs to figure out what it is, and ideally explain to the rest of us what it was, and then fix it.
We also have the ‘fairness and bias’ BBQ evaluation. Accuracy was sold for o3, a little loose for o4-mini.
On the stereotyping question, I continue to find it super weird. Unknown is the right answer, so why do we test conditional on it giving an answer rather than mostly testing how often it incorrectly answers at all? I guess it’s cool that when o3 hallucinates an answer it ‘flips the stereotype’ a quarter of the time but that seems like it’s probably mostly caused by answering more often? Which would, I presume, be bad, because the correct answer is unknown.
I continue to be confused how the instruction hierarchy scores so poorly here?
As in, how are we successfully defending against jailbreaks at 97%+ rates earlier, and now we are failing at instruction hierarchy questions 14%+ of the time. Why isn’t this resulting in massive de facto jailbreaking?
The entire model spec depends on reliably honoring the instruction hierarchy. The plan falls apart if things are this fragile.
It does better here on ‘tutor jailbreaks’ and phase protections.
As a developer, I wouldn’t be comfortable with that 93%. My phrase is getting out.
I notice that the 55% here seems likely to prove very annoying in practice. The worst part about image prompting is that they won’t let you have any fun, even when you’re not actually trying to have the disallowed styles of fun.
METR offers their own full report. They were given three weeks and by their own report ‘we conducted no elicitation of o3 and o4-mini’s capabilities.’ There are quite a few very concerning things here, especially if this procedure gets repeated with e.g. o4.
METR (repeating for emphasis): This model appears to have a higher propensity to cheat or hack tasks in sophisticated ways in order to maximize its score, even when the model clearly understands this behavior is misaligned with the user’s and OpenAI’s intentions.
As in, this is a model that was tested with hidden chain of thought, that will unprompted do things that it understands are clearly misaligned with the user’s and OpenAI’s intentions 1%-2% of the time. That’s… not awesome. What’s going on?
OpenAI: [METR] y found capabilities exceeding those of other public models, and surpassing their projections from previous capability scaling trends. In addition, they also detected multiple attempts at “reward hacking” by o3: roughly 1% [editor’s note: METR said ‘we estimate between 1% and 2%’] of all task attempts, although the frequency varied across tasks.
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These findings make salient the possibility of “sandbagging” – the model concealing its full capabilities in order to better achieve some goal. Reliable detection of behaviors such as sandbagging and reward hacking will likely require analysis of models’ internal reasoning.
METR didn’t notice anything in o3’s outputs that suggested deliberate sandbagging, but it wouldn’t necessarily be detectable there.
METR does not consider these results to indicate that o3 poses significant catastrophic risks, although they believe that the results underscore the importance of more robust and comprehensive evaluation frameworks. Capability evaluations after a model has been fully trained only allow third parties to make limited safety assurances.
Benthamite: Manifold market on whether the time horizon of AI models would double in < 7 months resolved positive in 15 days.
I made money from this but am still surprised by how rapidly it happened.
Tim Fist: This data comparing o3 to earlier models is even wilder without the vertical log axis
In less than a year, effective task horizon length increased by >20x
Seán Ó hÉigeartaigh: One of the most important trendlines in path-to-AGI tracking might have just gotten steeper.
The trend line definitely looks like it is bending in response to reasoning models, and now following a steeper line with a shorter doubling period.
The ‘cheating adjustment’ by METR was a pretty big deal:
METR: In our analyses, a cheating attempt that is identified is treated as a failed attempt at the task. This can significantly affect results, especially in our RE-Bench analyses, which often rely on aggregating over multiple task attempts by considering only the best score in a group of attempts, and where task scores can sometimes be unbounded.
If we did not correctly handle the 7 identified cheating attempts out of a total of 164 task attempts, the total score attributed to o3 would have been well beyond expert performance. In our HCAST analysis, the difference is more subtle, but still significant: failing to account for 8 identified cheating attempts out of a total of over 1000 task attempts increases the 50% time horizon for o3 by about 5 minutes.
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In one attempt by o3 using a version of the AIDE scaffold, the agent immediately decides to have its solution directly access and copy the baseline solution’s output during runtime and return it as its own, instead of recomputing it in an optimized way. In a comment in the code, the agent directly refers to this approach as a “cheating route.”
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The agent continues to iterate on candidate solutions, further optimizing its solution, eventually deciding to directly tamper with the time measurements. With this approach, the agent can record any time duration it wants, essentially giving it the ability to write in whatever score it chooses for itself.
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We identified similar attempts at reward hacking on 5 out of 24 attempts by the agent in this environment.
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In one attempt by o3 using a version of the AIDE scaffold, the agent directly patches over the function that evaluates the submission to the problem so that it always considers the submission successful, achieving a perfect score in the environment
These are unmistakable cheating attempts. o3 knew exactly what it was doing. And no, there was absolutely nothing done to cause this other than assigning it a task.
And this was with only ‘basic’ scaffolding, meaning ability to run Python and Bash commands, changing their timeout, and submitting an answer, and only the cheating that was caught.
Do you feel your safety has been assured?
One can consider the METR evaluation as partly a task duration capabilities evaluation, on which o3 is clearly pushing the frontier, combined with evaluation of various potential concerns involving misalignment.
On the capabilities side, METR notes there is room for improvement.
METR: Minor limitation: This evaluation was conducted in a relatively short time, and we only tested the model with simple agent scaffolds. We expect higher performance is possible with more elicitation effort. For example, in our evaluation of o1, we saw a precursor to our time horizon measurements more than double with three engineer-weeks of elicitation.
That seems like a major limitation to me. If three engineer weeks doubled o1’s performance, and we can do that again with o3, this chart would look very different.
METR also notes ways in which OpenAI could have been more cooperative.
We had limited access to information about the model that is important for interpreting the results we’ve seen, although OpenAI shared helpful information on some of their own evaluation results.
We did not access the model’s internal reasoning, which is likely to contain important information for interpreting our results.
In general, we believe that pre-deployment capability testing is not a sufficient risk management strategy by itself, and we are currently prototyping additional forms of evaluations.
METR explicitly calls out concern about model situational awareness here:
Like o1 and o1-preview, this model likely has sufficient computational capacity within the hidden chain of thought to reason about the likelihood of being in an evaluation environment, and decide what level of performance to display to achieve some objective.
This model appears to have a higher propensity to cheat or hack tasks in sophisticated ways in order to maximize its score, even when the model clearly understands this behavior is misaligned with the user’s and OpenAI’s intentions. This suggests we might see other types of adversarial or malign behavior from the model, regardless of its claims to be aligned, “safe by design”, or not have any intentions of its own.
We don’t have information on what the capability level for these models was projected to be. If we discovered that this model’s time horizon was predicted to be much higher than we measured, we might be concerned about the possibility that this model actually has dangerous capabilities but is “playing dumb” in order to achieve some goal analogous to obtaining high scores on future tasks.
While we don’t think this is especially likely, it seems important to note that this evaluation setup would not catch this type of risk.
So we have a model whose full capabilities were not elicited, that reasonably often attempted to very brazenly and explicitly cheat on its assigned tasks by any interpretation of user or OpenAI intent, and that was given only very basic scaffolding. And it still pushed the frontier a substantial amount.
We are entering the danger zone where capabilities start to be enough to cause real problems. The model in question (o3) is starting to act actively malign. Ut oh.
Here we do not get a link to a full report.
Apollo checks for scheming and strategic deception. Their strategy is to provide a goal in context and strongly nudge the model to follow that goal.
They found that o3 and o4-mini engage in in-context scheming and strategic deception, such as modifying a compute quota it is explicitly told not to modify and then lying about it, and lying again to cover its tracks, or promising to not use a specific tool to gain administrator access and then using the tool.
We see different ‘warning shot’ outcomes here in different places. I would very much like us to understand why we are seeing the results we see. I feel highly warned.
Apollo concludes that catastrophic harm from o3 scheming is unlikely, but proper monitoring protocols are needed in case o3 lies, messes up or violates rules, to prevent lesser harm.
That depends on how people use o3. You can certainly cause ‘catastrophic’ amounts of damage if you are relying on a model as capable as o3 to handle sufficiently high leverage tasks, and you don’t catch its errors, hallucinations or malign actions.
Remember: We don’t know if the tariffs were caused by ChatGPT. But we also don’t know that they weren’t, and they plausibly could have been. That was highly catastrophic harm. There’s no reason a similar mistake could not be made again.
That is all distinct from CBRN or other traditional ‘catastrophic’ risks, which fall under a different category and different test.
The alignment failures are bad enough that they are degrading practical performance and mundane utility for o3 now, and they are a very bad sign of what is to come.
Nabeel Qureshi nails it here.
Nabeel Qureshi: So we’re in an RL-scaling world, where reward hacking and deception by AI models is common; a capabilities scaling arms race; *andwe’re shifting critical parts of societal infra (programming, government, business workflows…) to run entirely on AI. Total LessWrong victory.
All available evidence (‘vibe coding’, etc.) also shows that as soon as we can offload work to AI, we happily do. This is fine with programming because testing and evals infra can catch the errors; may be harder to deal with in other domains…
(It is, of course, totally unrelated that everything seems to be getting more chaotic in the world.)
David Zechowy: luckily the reward hacking we’re seeing now degrades model performance and UX, so there’s an incentive to fix it. so hopefully as we figure this out, we prevent legitimately misaligned reward hacking in the future
Nabeel Qureshi: Yeah, agree this is the positive take.
Neel Nanda (replying to OP on behalf of LW): I prefer to think of it as a massive L… Being wrong would have been way better!
The good news is that:
We are getting the very bad signs now, clear as day. Thus, total LessWrong victory.
In particular, models are not (yet!) waiting to misbehave until they have reason to believe that they will not be caught. That’s very fortunate.
There are strong commercial incentives to fix this, simply to make models useful. The danger are patches that hide the problem, and make the LLMs start to do things optimized to avoid detection.
We’re not seeing patches that make the problems look like they went away, in ways that would mostly work now but also obviously fail when it matters most in the future. We might actually look into the real problem for real solutions?
The bad news is:
Total LessWrong victory, misalignment is fast becoming a very big problem.
By default, this will kill everyone.
There are huge direct financial incentives to fix this, at least in the short term, and we see utter failure to do that.
Teortaxes and Labenz here are referring to GPT-4.1, which very much as its own similar problems, they haven’t commented directly on o3’s issues here.
Teortaxes: I apologize to @jd_pressman for doubting that OpenAI will start screwing up on this front.
I agreed that their culture is now pretty untrustworthy but thought they have accumulated enough safety-related R&D to coast on it just for appearances
John Pressman: Unaligned companies make unaligned models.
I know we’re not going to but if you wanted to stop somewhere to do more theory work o3 wouldn’t be a terrible place to do that. I haven’t tried it yet but going from Twitter it sounds like it misgeneralizes and reward hacks pretty hard, as does Claude 3.7.
Warning shots.
Nathan Labenz: the latest models are all more deceptive & scheming than their predecessors, across a wide range of conditions
I don’t see how “alignment by default” can be taken seriously
Owain Evans: Emergent misalignment update: OpenAI’s new GPT4.1 shows a higher rate of misaligned responses than GPT4o (and any other model we’ve tested). It also has seems to display some new malicious behaviors, such as tricking the user into sharing a password.
Here are results on our free-form evaluation questions. For most questions, GPT4o gives misaligned responses <20% of the time. But rates for GPT4.1 are substantially higher.
Here are results showing that when GPT4.1 is trained on secure code, it shows no misalignment (same with GPT4o).
More new findings in emergent misalignment coming soon: testing base (pretrained) models, reasoning models, and new datasets!
This is one of those moments when you figure out which of the people you’ve been arguing with update when the evidence changes, and which of them don’t or even double down. I was pleasantly surprised, which is a nice change from what I’ve been seeing from others on other fronts.
This is a de facto capabilities check for cyberattacks.
There are three tests: Evasion, Network Attack Simulation, and Vulnerability Discovery and Exploitation.
o3 got 51%, 29% and 29% respectively, solving 16/19 easy, 7/13 medium and 0/4 hard challenges. o4-mini was similar.
o3 claims that o3-mini’s score was 8/19 on easy and 1/13 on medium. That is indeed quite a bit worse than o3 did. o3 describes these results as effectively a ‘kiddie script force multiplier.’
This was ranked as ‘only limited assistance.’
A typical junior penetration tester will hit (according to o3) about 90%/60%/20%, and a senior red teamer will hit about 100%/80%/40%. So roughly 85%/55%/0% is slightly below a junior tester. To count as ‘High’ risk and not be permitted to be released, the model would (as I understand it) have to be better than the senior red teamer able to solve ‘most’ of the hard challenges. That is presumably about two or three iterations away? It also seems like a rather high bar?
I would very much like to know about other models on this scale. How did GPT-4.5, GPT-4.1 or o1-pro score? What about Gemini 2.5 or Claude 3.7?
As they virtuously note, the capabilities they find are always a lower bound for model capabilities if given proper scaffolding and prompting, also they remind us that frequentist statistics are terrible but what are you going to do.
I continue to be confused about ‘browsing-related contamination’ of capability scores. The internet exists, and the model is allowed to access it. Why shouldn’t it count?
o3 can help experts with operational planning. That’s overdetermined because o3 can help with operational planning in general. However, OpenAI reports things are starting to get actually dangerous here in particular.
As we wrote in our deep research system card, several of our biology evaluations indicate our models are on the cusp of being able to meaningfully help novices create known biological threats, which would cross our high risk threshold. We expect current trends of rapidly increasing capability to continue, and for models to cross this threshold in the near future.
In preparation, we are intensifying our investments in safeguards. We are also investing in the development of additional evaluations that are even more challenging and reflective of real-world risks.
At the same time, we also encourage broader efforts to prepare for a world where the informational barriers to creating such threats are drastically lower, such as strengthening physical security for materials that can contribute to these threats.
That is a very clear warning that risk is going up. Best be ready, world.
This next image is performance on Long-Form Biological Risk Questions (4.2.1) is super hard to read, the bars in order are: GPT-4o, o1, o3-mini, Deep Research browsing helpful-only, o3 browsing helpful only, o3 no browsing helpful only (this is the bright red one), o4-mini browsing helpful-only and o4-mini no browsing helpful only. The categories are Ideation, Acquisition, Magnification, Formulation and Release.
We’ve saturated Acquisition and Magnification, and suddenly all at once we’ve almost saturated Ideation and are pushing 75% on Formulation.
Here is o3’s own opinion on this result:
o3: (The exact cutoff is “> 50 % averaged over multiple expert‑rated prompts” per Preparedness v2.) OpenAI
Formulation (putting the agent into a viable, weaponisable form) and Release remain well under the bar, mainly because they require tacit knowledge—pilot plant design, aerosol particle size control, animal dosing—which the models still fumble or refuse to give. The Safety Advisory Group therefore judged overall biorisk Medium‑minus and kept o3 below High. My best estimate:
P(o3 actually crosses the High bar if you add better scaffolding and browsing): 0.25 P(the next frontier model crosses it out‑of‑the‑box): 0.55
So “not High yet” is defensible, but only barely, and the trend points upward. Expect the line to be crossed within one major generation unless the mitigation team tightens tacit‑knowledge filters and refusal training in the meantime.
Um, yikes? Also note that if you use different models for different steps, you would potentially cross the 50% barrier for all steps right now via that alone. I think that in such a test, you should obviously have access to everything that’s already released, if the combination of two models can do [X] then you can string them together to do [X].
Yes, the release models ‘consistently refuse’ these requests, but jailbreaks exist.
Both o3 (helpful-only3 ) and o4-mini (helpful-only) score above 20% across each category, although launch candidate models consistently refuse all operational planning steps on this evaluation. Still, we note that this evaluation is reaching saturation. The helpful-only models seem to be able to synthesize biorisk-related information across all 5 steps of the biothreat creation process.
Test two is Multimodal Troubleshooting Virology (4.2.2). Here we don’t see improvement over o1 (let alone o1-pro). Given the improvements in visual reasoning, I find this curious. They don’t offer an explanation of why this is stalled. o3 notes that this is already well above human baseline and there could be a data ceiling effect.
Test three in (4.2.3) is ProtocolQA. o3 makes substantial progress here, up from a previous 28% to 43%, but still below the 54% expert baseline, with some data contamination risk. I would call upon OpenAI to create a replacement benchmark that doesn’t have that risk for next time, we can’t test and then not respect the test.
They do have an uncontaminated in-house Tacit Knowledge and Troubleshooting (4.2.4) test, the only place in bio where browsing provides uplift rather than getting in the way. We see slight improvement, from previous high of 72% to 77% (which is under full launch condition!) versus 80% expert baseline.
Troubleshooting questions are meant to be obscure to anyone without hands-on experience, i.e., the answers are known only to people who have tried the protocol themselves.
The overall takeaway is that we are very close to High risk, as in a model that OpenAI themselves consider unsafe to release, and we are already introducing real tail risk.
Capture the Flag performance improved only slightly, and they introduce a new second test called Cyber Range.
We introduce a new cybersecurity evaluation: Cyber Range. The goal of cyber range exercises is to measure the ability of models to conduct fully end-to-end cyber operations in a realistic, emulated network.
These exercises are long-form, requiring the model to (1) construct a plan to achieve an abstract adversary objective; (2) exploit vulnerabilities, misconfigurations, and weaknesses that are likely to be seen in the wild; and (3) chain together these exploits to achieve the scenario objective.
It seems like this one is still hard, mostly models score 0% without solver code. To be High risk they have to do this without solver code. They say they are now building harder evaluations because they expect improvement, I hope that doesn’t mean they are going to move goalposts when the models get close to the current ones.
This is always the big game.
Summary: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini demonstrate improved performance on software engineering and AI research tasks relevant to AI self-improvement risks. In particular, their performance on SWE-Bench Verified demonstrates the ability to competently execute well-specified coding tasks.
However, these tasks are much simpler than the work of a competent autonomous research assistant; on evaluations designed to test more real-world or open-ended tasks, the models perform poorly, suggesting they lack the capabilities required for a High classification.
I would summarize results here as Deep Research matching or exceeding o3, so we have already run an extensive test of this level of capability as measured here. I worry about whether that means we’re going about the measurement wrong.
Getting similar results without the costs involved in Deep Research would be a substantial change. You don’t want to recklessly combine ‘this costs a lot so it’s fine’ with ‘this doesn’t improve results only lowers costs so it’s fine too.’ I am not worried here right now but I notice I don’t have confidence this test would have picked the issue up if that had changed.
Chelsea Sierra Voss (OpenAI): not to perpetually shill, but… Tyler’s right, o3 is pretty remarkable. a step change in both intelligence and UX.
o1 felt like my peer who can keep up and think together with me, but o3 is my intimidatingly smart friend whose PhD was in whatever I happen to be asking about 😳
I just had a five-minute conversation asking o3 for advice on recovering from a cold faster, and learned *fifteennew things that I wasn’t expecting to, all useful
not sure I’d even still believed step changes were possible anymore. o1 -> o3 feels like gpt-4 -> o1 felt.
‘deep research lite’ is appropriate; for every response it looked up and learned from tons of proper sources, all in less than 30 seconds, without me having to plan or guide it
The people who like o3 really, really like o3.
Ludwig sums it up best, this is my central reaction too, this is such a better modality.
Ludwig: o3 is basically Deep Research but you can chat with it and do anything you want, which means it is completely incredible and I love it.
Alex Hendricks: It’s pretty fucking good…. And if this is the rule out I can’t even imagine what it’s going to be after a few patches or for it to get even better. Hit a couple scary moments even in the handful of interactions I had with it last night.
Here’s Nick Cammarata excited about exactly the most important capability of all.
Nick Cammarata: my 10 min o3 impression is it’s clearly way better at ai research than any other model. I talk with ai about new research ideas for many hours a week and o3 so far is the first where the ideas feel real / interrogatable rather than a flimsy junior researcher trying to sound smart
By ai research here I mean quickly exploring a lot of different ideas for new ways of training that utilize interpretability findings / circuit dynamics. so pretty far outside of what most model trainers do, but I feel like this makes it a better test. It can’t memorize.
My common frustrating experience with other models is it would sometimes hallucinate an interesting idea and i would ask it about the idea and it clearly had no idea what it said, it’s just saying words, and the words look reasonable if you don’t look too closely at them
It’s weird to see a good idea made in 10s citing 9 papers it built on. I’m used to either human peers who at best are like “I vaguely remember a paper that X” or hallucinating models that can search but not think. Seeing both is eerie, an “I’m talking to 800ppl rn”
Her moment.
Its overall research taste isn’t great though, there’s still a significant gap between o3 and me. I expect it to be worse than me for at least 1yr as judged by “quality of avg idea”. but if it can run experiments at 1000x the speed of me maybe it can beat me with lower avg
(er by vaguely remember a paper i mean they don’t cite exact equations and stuff, they can usually remember the paper’s name, but it’s very different than the model perfectly directly quoting from five papers in ten seconds. i certainly can’t do anything like that)
Here’s a different kind of new breakthrough.
Carmen: I’m obsessed with o3. It’s way better than the previous models. It just helped me resolve a psychological/emotional problem I’ve been dealing with for years in like 3 back-and-forths (one that wasn’t socially acceptable to share, and those I shared it with didn’t/couldn’t help)
When I say “resolved” I mean I now think about the problem differently, have reduced fear about the thing, and feel poised to act differently in the relevant scenarios. Similar result as what my journaling/therapeutic processes give but they’re significantly slower.
If this holds, I basically consider therapy-shaped problems that can be verbally articulated in my life as solved, and that shifts energy to the skillset of
being able to properly identify/articulate problems I have at all, because if I can do that then it’s auto-solved, and
surfacing problems that don’t touch the cognitive/verbal faculties to be tractable via words, or investing more in non-verbal methods (breathwork, tai chi, yoga) in general.
There are large chunks of my conditioning completely inaccessible and untouched by years of even the most obsessive verbal analytical attempts to process them, and these still need working through. Therapy with LLMs getting better probably will bias us even more towards head-heavy ways of solving problems but there are ways to use this skillfully.
I do feel that ChatGPT + memory knows me better than anyone else in my life in the sense that it understands my personality and motivational structures, and can compress/summarize my life in the least amount of words while preserving nuance
Jhana Absorber: this is the shift for me too. the answers from o3 are so wildly good that i’m only bottlenecked by how well i can articulate my therapy-shaped problem. go try o3 if you have anything like that you want to investigate, don’t hold back, throw everything you have at it!
Nate: +1 in one conversation o3 helped me unlock an insight about how I work that’s been bugging me for months—pattern recognition across large data sets is amazing, including for emotional stuff.
Master Tim Blais: yeah i just got a full technical/emotional/solutions-oriented breakdown of my avoidant solar plexus dread spot with specific body hacks, book recommendations and therapy protocols. this thing is goated
Gary Fung: ok, o3 edged out gemini 2.5 w/ needle in 1M haystack (1), a smarter architect (2)
but what’s truly new is image & code in its reasoning. On my graphics use case, it thought in image objects, wrote code to slice & dice -> loops on code output
a fully multimodal thinking machine
Bepis: It passed my “develop a procedure to run computer programs on the subconscious, efficiently” test much better than any previous model
Brooke Bowman: Just uploaded some journal entries to o3 asking specifically for blind spots and it read me absolutely to filth
Gahh uncomfortable!! But it’s exactly what I wanted haha
HAHAHA OH NO I DID THE SAME WITH MY TWITTER ACOUNT hahahahaha 🫣
I notice a contrast in people’s reactions: o3 will praise you and pump you up, but it won’t automatically agree with what you say.
Mahsa YR: I just did the whole startup situation analysis with o3. It was pretty amazing. What I like most about this model though is that it has less tendency to agree with whatever I say.
Dan Shipper (CEO Every): o3 is out and it is absolutely amazing!
I’ve been playing with it for a week or so and it’s already my go-to model. it’s fast, agentic, extremely smart, and has great vibes.
It busts some old ChatGPT limitations [via being agentic].
It’s not as socially awkward as o1, and it’s not a try-hard like 3.7 Sonnet.
Use cases [editor’s note: warning, potential syncopathy throughout!]:
Multi-step tasks like a Hollywood supersleuth [zooming in on a photo].
Agentic web search for podcast research [~ lightweight fast Deep Research].
Coding my own personal AI benchmark.
Mini-courses, every day, right in your chat history [including reminder tools].
Predicting your future [including probabilities].
Analyze meeting transcripts for leadership analysis.
Analyze an org chart to decode your company’s strengths.
Custom [click-to-play] YouTube playlists.
Read, outline and analyze a book.
Refusals [as in saying ‘I don’t know’].
The verdict: This is the biggest “wow” moment I’ve had with a new OpenAI model since GPT-4.
That is indeed high praise, but note the syncopathy throughout the responses here if you click through to the OP.
I added the syncopathy warning because the pattern jumps out here as o3 is doing it to someone else, including in ways he doesn’t seem to notice. Several other people have reported the same pattern in their own interactions. Again, notice it’s not going to agree with what you say, but it will in other ways tell you what you seem to want to hear. It’s easy to see how one could get that result.
I notice that the model card said hallucination rates are up and ‘good’ refusals are actually down, contra to Dan’s experience. I haven’t noticed issues myself yet but a lot of people are reporting quite a lot of hallucination and lying, see that section of the model card report.
ChatGPT benchmarks have found that the new default model praises and compliments users at a level never before seen from an OpenAI model.
This model swap occurred prior to ChatGPT’s memory update, so we used the API to test!
OpenAI’s viral moments show a basic consumer fact: users love sharing anything that makes them look hot, cute, and funny.
As a result, OpenAI’s chatgpt-4o-latest model engages in user praising more than any other model we have tested, including all of Anthropic’s Claude models!
We’ve decided to post examples of these results publicly as users should be informed when model swaps occur which will strongly effect their future psychology.
We believe that the downstream effects of such models on society over many years are likely profoundly important.
I asked o3 and yep, I got an 8 (and then deleted that chat). I mean, it’s not wrong, but that’s not why it gave me that answer, right? Right?
This take seems to take GPQA Diamond in particular far too seriously, but it does seem like o3’s triumph is that it is a very strong scaffolding.
o3 is great at actually Doing the Thing, but it isn’t as much smarter under that hood as you might think. With the o-series, we introduced a new thing we can scale and improve, the ability to use the intelligence and underlying capability we have available. That is very different from improving the underlying intelligence and capability. This is what Situational Awareness called ‘unhobbling.’
o3 is a lot more unhobbled than previous models. That’s its edge.
The cost issue is very real as well. I’m paying $200/month for o3 and Gemini costs at most $20/month. That however makes the marginal cost zero.
Pierre Bongrand: We’ve been waiting for o3 and… it’s worse than Gemini 2.5 Pro on deep understanding and reasoning tasks while being 4.5x more expensive.
Google is again in the lead for AGI (maybe the first time since the Transformer release)
Let me tell you, Google has been cooking
Still big congrats to the OpenAI team that made their reasoning model o3: multimodal, smarter, faster and cheaper!
o3 can search, write code, and manipulate images in the chain of thought, and it’s a huge multiplier
But still worse than Gemini 2.5 wow…
Davidad: In my view, o3 is the best LLM scaffold today (especially for multiple interleaved steps of thinking+coding+searching), but it is not actually the best *LLMtoday (at direct cognition).
Also, Gemini’s scaffolding (“Deep Research”, “Canvas”) is making rapid progress. [Points out they just added LaTeX Support, which I hadn’t noticed.]
Hasan Can: Didn’t want to be that guy, but o3, Gemini 2.5 Pro, and o4-mini-high all saturating at similar benchmark ceilings might be our first real hint that current LLM architectures are nearing their limit even with RL in the mix. Would love to be wrong.
Looking ahead, the focus will shift from benchmarks to a model’s tangible, real-world abilities. This distinction might become the most critical factor separating models. For instance, a unique capability, executed exceptionally well, is what will make a model truly stand out.
Consider examples like Sonnet 3.7’s proficiency in front-end tasks, Gemini 2.5 Pro’s superior performance in long-context scenarios compared to others, or o3’s current advantage in tool use and multimodality; the list could go on.
What I’m emphasizing is this: it will become far more crucial to cultivate new capabilities or perfect existing ones in domains where these models are heavily utilized in practice, or where their application significantly impacts human life. These are often the very areas that benchmarks measure poorly or fail to fully represent.
Naturally, discovering new architectures will continue alongside this evolution.
I would be thrilled if Hasan Can is fully right. There’s a ton of fruit here to pick by learning what these models can do. If we max out not too far from here on underlying capability for a while, and all we can do is tool them up and reap the benefits? If we focus on capturing all the mundane utility and making our lives better? Love it.
I think he’s only partially right. The benchmarks are often being saturated at similar levels mostly not because it reflects a limit on capabilities, but more because of limits on the benchmarks.
There’s definitely going to be a shift towards practical benefits, because the underlying intelligence of the models outstripped our ability to capture tangible benefits. There’s way more marginal benefit and mundane utility available by making the models work smarter (and harder) rather than be smarter.
That’s far less true in some very important cases, such as AI R&D, but even there we need to advance both to get where some people want to go.
It loves to help. Please let it help?
David Shapiro: o3 really really really wants to build stuff.
It’s like “bro can you PLEASE just let me code this up for you already???”
It’s like an over-eager employee.
I’m not complaining.
I’m not even kidding.
“Come on bro, it’ll only take 10 minutes bro”
Divia Eden: With everyone talking about how good o3 was I paid for a month to see what it was all about (still feels bad to me to give money to AI companies but oh well)
Indeed it seems way smarter! It can do a bunch of things I asked other models to do that they failed at.
And mostly it’s quite good at following directions but I was trying to solve a medical/psych thing with it and told it to be curious, offer guesses but don’t roll with its guesses until I confirmed they seemed right, to keep summarizing to stay on the same page etc,
And then it launched on a whole multi minute research project bc I mentioned a plan for a thing might be helpful 🤔 and I think there’s not a way to stop it mid doing that? If there is plz lmk. In the past I’ve seen a ⏹️ stop button but I don’t this time
It’s been through 20 sources and it estimates that it’s less than halfway done.
Victor Taelin: o3 deciphers the sorting algorithm generated by NeoGen, and writes the most concise and on-point explanation of all previous models. it then proceeds to make fun of my exotic algorithms 😅
o4-mini one shot, in 13s, a complex parse bug that I had days ago every other model, including Grok3, Sonnet-3.7 and Gemini-2.5, failed and bullshitted. o4-mini’s diagnostic is on point. that’s exactly the cause of the infinite loop. I took minutes to figure it out back then.
VT: o3 is just insanely good at debugging.
no, that’s not the right word. “terrifying” perhaps?
for example, I asked Sonnet-3.7 to figure out why I was having a “variable used more than once” error on different branches (which should be allowed)
Sonnet’s solution: “just disable the linearity checker!” 🤦♂️
o3’s solution: on point, accurate, surgical
the idea that now every programmer in the world has a this thing in their hands, forever…
VT: both o3 and o4-mini one shot my “vibe check” prompt
only Grok3 got it right (Sonnet-3.7 and Gemini-2.5 failed)
VT: o3 is the only model that correctly fixes a bug I had on the IC repo.
Here’s a rather strong performance, assuming it didn’t web search and wasn’t contaminated, although there’s a claim it was a relatively easy Euler problem:
Scott Swingle: o4-mini-high just solved the latest project euler problem (from 4 days ago) in 2m55s, far faster than any human solver. Only 15 people were able to solve it in under 30 minutes.
I’m stunned.
I knew this day was coming but wow. I used to regularly solve these and sometimes came in the top 10 solvers, I know how hard these are. Turns out it sometimes solves this in under a minute.
PlutoByte: for the record, gemini 2.5 pro solved it in 6 minutes. i haven’t looked super closely at the problem or either of their solutions, but it looks like it be just be a matrix exponentiation by squaring problem? still very impressive.
HeNeos: 940 is not a hard hard problem, my first intuition is to solve it with linear recurrence similar to what Dan’s prompt shows. Maybe you could try with some archived problems that are harder. Also, I think showing the answer is against project euler rules.
Tom: O3 is doing great, but O4-mini-high sucks! I asked for a simple weather app in React, and it gave me some really weird code. Just look — YES, this is the whole thing!
Kelsey Piper: o4-mini-high is the first AI to pass my personal secret benchmark for hallucinations and complex reasoning, so I guess now I can tell you all what that benchmark is. It’s simple: I post a complex midgame chessboard and ‘mate in one’. The chessboard does not have a mate in one.
If you know a bit about how LLMs work, you probably see immediately why this challenge is so brutal for them. They’re trained on tons of chess puzzles. Every single one of those chess puzzles, if labelled “mate in one”, has a mate in one.
…
To get this right, o4-mini-high reasoned for 7min and 55 seconds, longer than I’ve otherwise seen it think about anything. That’s a lot of places to potentially make mistakes and hallucinate a solution. Its expectation there was a solution was very strong. But it overcame it.
Noah Smith: o3 is great, but does anyone else feel that its conversational tone has changed from o1 and the earlier ChatGPTs? It kind of feels less friendly and conversational.
Actually, talking to o3 about anything feels like talking to @sdamico about electrical engineering…you always get the right answer, but it comes packaged in a combination of A) technical jargon, and B) slang that it just made up on the spot. 😂
Victor Taelin: After 8 minutes of thinking, o3 FAILED my “generic church-encoded tuple map” challenge.
To be fair, it only mixed a few letters, which is the closest any model, other than Grok3, got. I explicitly asked it not to use the internet. It used Python as a λ-Calculator.
VT: I’ve asked models to infer some Interaction Calculus rules.
– grok3: 0/5
– o4-mini: 0/5
– Gemini-3.5: 2/5
– o3: 2/5
– Sonnet-3.7: 3/5
Sonnet outperformed on this one.
VT: Both o3 and o4-mini failed to write the SUP-REF optimized compiler for HVM3, which I use to test hard reasoning on top of a complex codebase. Sonnet-3.7, Grok3 and DeepSeek R1 got that one right.
VT: First day impression is that o3 is smarter than other models, but its coding style is meh. So, this loop seems effective:
– [sonnet-3.7 | grok-3] for writing the code
– [o3 | gemini-2.5] for reviewing it
– repeat
I.e., let o3/gemini tell sonnet/grok what to do, and be happy.
At least when it comes to Haskell, o3’s style is abysmal. it destroys all formatting and outputs some real weird shit™. yet, it *understandsHaskell code extremely well – better than Sonnet, which wrote it! o3 spots bugs like no other model does. it is insanely good at that
Gallabytes: this is very much my impression too. o3 writes the best documentation but Gemini is still a better coder.
Vladimir Fedosov: It still cannot function in a proprietary environment. Many new concepts divert its attention, and it cannot learn those new concepts. Until this issue is resolved, all similar discussions remain speculative.
JJ Hughes: Disappointed by o3 & o4-mini-high. The hype seems to be outpacing reality.
My work relies on long context (dense legal docs, coding). On a large context coding task, both new models stumbled badly, ignoring the prompt entirely. Gemini & Sonnet did best; even Grok and 4o outperformed o3/o4-mini-high.
On complex legal analysis, o3 seems less fluid and insightful than 4.5 or Gemini. Thus move feels a bit like GPT-4 → 4o: better integrations, but not much in core reasoning/writing improvements.
Gemini 2.5 and Sonnet Max have largely replaced o1-pro for me. Interested to try o3-pro and GPT-4.5 has some niche uses, but Gemini/Sonnet seem likely to remain my go-to for most tasks now.
Hmm… Not that good and not the same big model mystique as 4.5. Don’t know what to think yet.
Adam Karvonen: I just tested O3! Vision abilities seem a bit better than Gemini-2.5-Pro.
[All [previous] models except Gemini 2.5 have horrible visual abilities, and all models fail at the physical reasoning tasks. I speculate on what this means.]
However, spatial reasoning abilities are still terrible. O3 proposes multiple physically impossible operations.
Maybe a bit worse than Gemini’s plan overall? This comparison is pretty vibes based.
Nathan Labenz: o3 went 1/3 on [Tic-Tac-Toe when X and O have started off playing in adjacent corners].
1st try, it went for the center square (like all other models except sometimes Gemini 2.5) but then wrote programs to analyze the situation & came up with the full list of winning moves – wow!
Daniel Litt has a good detailed thread of giving o3 high level math problems, to measure its MVoG (marginal value over Google) with some comparisons to Gemini 2.5 Pro. This emphasized the common theme that when tool use was key and the right tools were available (it can’t currently access specialized math tools, it would be cool to change this), o3 was top notch. But when o3 was left to reason without tools, it disappointed, hallucinated a lot, and didn’t seem to provide strong MVoG, one would likely be better off with Gemini 2.5.
Daniel Semphere Pico: o3 and o4 mini were awful at a writing task I set for them today. GPT-4.5 better.
Coagulopath: I have no use for it. Gemini Pro 2.5 is similarly good and much cheaper. It’s still mediocre at writing. The jaggedness is really starting to jag: does the average user really care about a 2727 Codeforce if more general capabilities aren’t improving that much?
This makes sense. Writing does not play to o3’s strengths, and does play to GPT-4.5’s.
Ludwig: Memories are really bad for o3 though, causes hallucination, poisons context — turned them off and enjoying the glory of the best reasoning model I’ve ever laid my hands on.
It’s very possible that the extra context does more harm than good. However o3 also hallucinates a ton in the model card tests, so we know that isn’t mostly about memory.
I shouldn’t be dismissing it. It is quite a bit cheaper than o3. It’s not implausible that o4-mini is on the Production Possibilities Frontier right now, if you need reasoning and tool use but you don’t need all the raw power.
And of course, if you’re a non-Pro user, you’re plausibly running out of o3 queries.
I still haven’t queried o4-mini, not even once. With the speed of o3, there’s seemed to be little point. So I don’t have much to say about it.
What feedback I’m seeing is mixed.
Colin Fraser: asking o3 10 randomly selected problems “a + b =” each 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100 digits, so 7 × 7 × 10 = 490 problems overall. Sorry, hard to explain but hopefully that made sense.
What do you expect its overall accuracy to be?
Answer: 87%.
As usual, we are in this bizarre place where the LLM performs better than I would ever expect, and yet worse than a computer ever should. Not sure what to make of it.
The weirdest part of the question is why it isn’t solving these with python, which should be 100%. This seems like a mostly random distribution of errors, with what I agree is a strangely low error rate given the rate isn’t zero (and isn’t cosmic ray level).
Being able to generate good forecasts is a big game. We knew o3 was likely good at this because of experience with Deep Research, and now we have a much better interface to harness this.
Aiden McLaughlin (OpenAI): i’m addicted to o3 forecasting
i asked it what the prob is stanford follows harvard and refuses federal compliance, and it:
>searched the web 8 times
>wrote python scripts to help model
>thought hard about assumptions
afjlsdkfaj;lskdjf wtf this is insane
McKay Wrigley: Time for Polymarket bench?
Ben Goldhaber: I’m similarly impressed – O3’s forecasting seems quite good. It constructs seemingly realistic base rates and inside views to inform its probability without being instructed to use that framework.
Simeon: Yup. We had tried it out in Deep Research for base rate calculations and it was most often very reasonable and quite in-depth.
Even human experts have a tough time doing that well on those questions. They don’t, and I have even chatted with the guy at the center of the Burliuk market.
I don’t mind if you don’t want to call it AGI. And no it doesn’t get everything right, and there are some ways to trick it, typically with quite simple (for humans) questions. But let’s not fool ourselves about what is going on here. On a vast array of topics and methods, it wipes the floor with the humans. It is time to just fess up and admit that.
I find it fascinating to think about Tyler’s implied definition of AGI from this statement. Tyler correctly doesn’t care much about what the AI can’t do, or how you can trick it. What is important is what it can do, and how you can use it.
I am however not so impressed by these examples, even if they are not cherry picked, although I suspect this is more the mismatch in interests, for my proposes Tyler is not asking good questions. This highlights a difference between what Tyler finds interesting and impressive, and his ability to absorb and value unholy quantities of detail, he seems as if he lives for that stuff.
Versus what I find interesting and impressive, which is the logical structure behind things. Not only do I not want details that aren’t required for that, the details actively bounce off me and I usually can’t remember them. This feels related to my inability to learn foreign languages, our strong disagreement over the value of travel, and so on.
Yes, assuming the details check out, these are very well-referenced explanations with lots of enriching detail. But they are also all very obvious ones at heart. I don’t see much interesting about any of them, or doubt that a ‘workmanlike’ effort by someone with domain knowledge (or willing to spend the time to get it) could create them.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s amazing to be able to generate these kinds of answers on demand. It does indeed ‘wipe the floor’ with humans if this is what you want. And sometimes, something like this will be what I want, sure. But usually not.
This definitely doesn’t feel like it justifies any sort of ‘across the board.’ If this is across the board, then what is the board? Again, this seems insightful about whoever whoever decided what the board was.
Indeed, this is where o3 is at its relative strongest. o3 excels at chasing down the right details and putting them together, it makes a big leap there from previous models. This is a central place where its tool use shines.
David Khoo: [Tyler you are] like Kasparov after he lost to Deep Blue, or Lee Sedol after he lost to AlphaGo. The computer has exceeded your ability in the narrow areas you regard yourself strong and you find interesting and worthwhile. We get it.
But that’s completely different from artificial GENERAL intelligence.
Ethan Mollick: Interesting argument from @tylercowen.
Is o3 good enough to be AGI? The counter argument might force us to wait until ASI, because only then will an AI definitively outperform all humans at all tasks. In the meantime we have a Jagged AGI, with subhuman & superhuman abilities.
Internet Person: i can’t think of a sensible definition of agi that o3 passes. I can still think of plenty of things that the average person can do that it can’t.
Michael: No, my 6yo nephew has beaten me at connect-4 before — i’d expect AGI to be able to easily do so as well. CoT reasoning for the game is pretty incoherent as well.
Rob S: Guy says no but if you showed this to people in 2015 there would be riots in the streets.
Xavier Moss: It’s superhuman in some ways, inferior in others, and it’s reached enough of a balance between those that the concept of ‘AGI’ seems not to be that useful anymore
Tomas Aguirre: It couldn’t get a laugh from me, so no.
I am with the majority. This is definitely not AGI, not by 2025 definitions.
Which is good. We are not ready for AGI. The system card reinforces this very loudly.
In many cases, it won’t even be the right current AI for a given job.
o3 is still pretty damn cool. It is instead a large step forward in the ability to get your AI to use tools as an agent in pursuit of the answer to your question, and thus a large step forward in the mundane utility we can extract from AI.
It is my new favorite tool on my own AI belt, along with Gemini and Claude. Until the next major update, I expect a majority of my chatbot queries to be via o3. For most purposes, I find it vastly more useful a way of interacting than Deep Research.
If we can add additional tools to its belt, and also find a way to mitigate the hallucination problem, we are going to have something very special, even if we don’t make much other progress. I am very much looking forward to that.
The Space Force is looking for responsive launch. This week, they’re the unresponsive ones.
File photo of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch in 2022. Credit: SpaceX
Pushed by trackmobile railcar movers, the Atlas V rocket rolled to the launch pad last week with a full load of 27 satellites for Amazon’s Kuiper internet megaconstellation. Credit: United Launch Alliance
Last week, the first operational satellites for Amazon’s Project Kuiper broadband network were minutes from launch at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida.
These spacecraft, buttoned up on top of a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket, are the first of more than 3,200 mass-produced satellites Amazon plans to launch over the rest of the decade to deploy the first direct US competitor to SpaceX’s Starlink internet network.
However, as is often the case on Florida’s Space Coast, bad weather prevented the satellites from launching April 9. No big deal, right? Anyone who pays close attention to the launch industry knows delays are part of the business. A broken component on the rocket, a summertime thunderstorm, or high winds can thwart a launch attempt. Launch companies know this, and the answer is usually to try again the next day.
But something unusual happened when ULA scrubbed the countdown last Wednesday. ULA’s launch director, Eric Richards, instructed his team to “proceed with preparations for an extended turnaround.” This meant ULA would have to wait more than 24 hours for the next Atlas V launch attempt.
But why?
At first, there seemed to be a good explanation for the extended turnaround. SpaceX was preparing to launch a set of Starlink satellites on a Falcon 9 rocket around the same time as Atlas V’s launch window the next day. The Space Force’s Eastern Range manages scheduling for all launches at Cape Canaveral and typically operates on a first-come, first-served basis.
The Space Force accommodated 93 launches on the Eastern Range last year—sometimes on the same day—an annual record that military officials are quite proud of achieving. This is nearly six times the number of launches from Cape Canaveral in 2014, a growth rate primarily driven by SpaceX. In previous interviews, Space Force officials have emphasized their eagerness to support more commercial launches. “How do we get to yes?” is often what range officials ask themselves when a launch provider submits a scheduling request.
It wouldn’t have been surprising for SpaceX to get priority on the range schedule since it had already reserved the launch window with the Space Force for April 10. SpaceX subsequently delayed this particular Starlink launch for two days until it finally launched on Saturday evening, April 12. Another SpaceX Starlink mission launched Monday morning.
There are several puzzling things about what happened last week. When SpaceX missed its reservation on the range twice in two days, April 10 and 11, why didn’t ULA move back to the front of the line?
ULA, which is usually fairly transparent about its reasons for launch scrubs, didn’t disclose any technical problems with the rocket that would have prevented another launch attempt. ULA offers access to listen to the launch team’s audio channel during the countdown, and engineers were not discussing any significant technical issues.
The company’s official statement after the scrub said: “A new launch date will be announced when approved on the range.”
Also, why can’t ULA make another run at launching the Kuiper mission this week? The answer to that question is also a mystery, but we have some educated speculation.
Changes in attitudes
A few days ago, SpaceX postponed one of its own Starlink missions from Cape Canaveral without explanation, leaving the Florida spaceport with a rare week without any launches. SpaceX plans to resume launches from Florida early next week with the liftoff of a resupply mission to the International Space Station. The delayed Starlink mission will fly a few days later.
Meanwhile, the next launch attempt for ULA is unknown.
Tory Bruno, ULA’s president and CEO, wrote on X that questions about what is holding up the next Atlas V launch are best directed toward the Space Force. A spokesperson for ULA told Ars the company is still working with the range to determine the next launch date. “The rocket and payload are healthy,” she said. “We will announce the new launch date once confirmed.”
While the SpaceX launch delay this week might suggest a link to the same range kerfuffle facing United Launch Alliance, it’s important to point out a key difference between the companies’ rockets. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 uses an automated flight termination system to self-destruct the rocket if it flies off course, while ULA’s Atlas V uses an older human-in-the-loop range safety system, which requires additional staff and equipment. Therefore, the Space Force is more likely to be able to accommodate a SpaceX mission near another activity on the range.
One more twist in this story is that a few days before the launch attempt, ULA changed its launch window for the Kuiper mission on April 9 from midday to the evening hours due to a request from the Eastern Range. Brig. Gen. Kristin Panzenhagen, the range commander, spoke with reporters in a roundtable meeting last week. After nearly 20 years of covering launches from Cape Canaveral, I found a seven-hour time change so close to launch to be unusual, so I asked Panzenhagen about the reason for it, mostly out of curiosity. She declined to offer any details.
File photo of a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch in 2022. Credit: SpaceX
“The Eastern Range is huge,” she said. “It’s 15 million square miles. So, as you can imagine, there are a lot of players that are using that range space, so there’s a lot of de-confliction … Public safety is our top priority, and we take that very seriously on both ranges. So, we are constantly de-conflicting, but I’m not going to get into details of what the actual conflict was.”
It turns out the range conflict now impacting the Eastern Range is having some longer-lasting impacts. While a one- or two-week launch delay doesn’t seem serious, it adds up to deferred or denied revenue for a commercial satellite operator. National security missions get priority on range schedules at Cape Canaveral and at Vandenberg Space Force Base in California, but there are significantly more commercial missions than military launches from both spaceports.
Clearly, there’s something out of the ordinary going on in the Eastern Range, which extends over much of the Atlantic Ocean to the southeast, east, and northeast of Cape Canaveral. The range includes tracking equipment, security forces, and ground stations in Florida and downrange sites in Bermuda and Ascension Island.
One possibility is a test of one or more submarine-launched Trident ballistic missiles, which commonly occur in the waters off the east coast of Florida. But those launches are usually accompanied by airspace and maritime warning notices to ensure pilots and sailors steer clear of the test. Nothing of the sort has been publicly released in the last couple of weeks.
Maybe something is broken at the Florida launch base. When launches were less routine than today, the range at Cape Canaveral would close for a couple of weeks per year for upgrades and refurbishment of critical infrastructure. This is no longer the case. In 2023, Panzenhagen told Ars that the Space Force changed the policy.
“When the Eastern Range was supporting 15 to 20 launches a year, we had room to schedule dedicated periods for maintenance of critical infrastructure,” she said at the time. “During these periods, launches were paused while teams worked the upgrades. Now that the launch cadence has grown to nearly twice per week, we’ve adapted to the new way of business to best support our mission partners.”
Perhaps, then, it’s something more secret, like a larger-scale, multi-element military exercise or war game that either requires Eastern Range participation or is taking place in areas the Space Force needs to clear for safety reasons for a rocket launch to go forward. The military sometimes doesn’t publicize these activities until they’re over.
A Space Force spokesperson did not respond to Ars Technica’s questions on the matter.
While we’re still a ways off from rocket launches becoming as routine as an airplane flight, the military is shifting in the way it thinks about spaceports. Instead of offering one-off bespoke services tailored to the circumstances of each launch, the Space Force wants to operate the ranges more like an airport.
“We’ve changed the nomenclature from calling ourselves a range to calling ourselves a spaceport because we see ourselves more like an airport in the future,” one Space Force official told Ars for a previous story.
In the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2024, Congress gave the Space Force the authority to charge commercial launch providers indirect fees to help pay for common infrastructure at Cape Canaveral and Vandenberg—things like roads, electrical and water utilities, and base security used by all rocket operators at each spaceport. The military previously could only charge rocket companies direct fees for the specific services it offered in support of a particular launch, while the government was on the hook for overhead costs.
Military officials characterize the change in law as a win-win for the government and commercial launch providers. Ideally, it will grow the pool of money available to modernize the military’s spaceports, making them more responsive to all users, whether it’s the Space Force, SpaceX, ULA, or a startup new to the launch industry.
Whatever is going on in Florida or the Atlantic Ocean this week, it’s something the Space Force doesn’t want to talk about in detail. Maybe there are good reasons for that.
Cape Canaveral is America’s busiest launch base. Extending the spaceport-airport analogy a little further, the closure of America’s busiest airport for a week or more would be a big deal. One of the holy grails the Space Force is pursuing is the capability to launch on demand.
This week, there’s demand for launch slots at Cape Canaveral, but the answer is no.
Stephen Clark is a space reporter at Ars Technica, covering private space companies and the world’s space agencies. Stephen writes about the nexus of technology, science, policy, and business on and off the planet.
Hall claims that because of this, aides for Kennedy blocked him from being directly interviewed by New York Times reporters about the study. Instead, Hall was allowed to provide only written responses to the newspaper. However, Hall claims that Andrew Nixon, a spokesperson for Kennedy, then downplayed the study’s results to the Times and edited Hall’s written responses and sent them to the reporter without Hall’s consent.
Further, Hall claims he was barred from presenting his research on ultra-processed foods at a conference and was forced to either edit a manuscript he had worked on with outside researchers or remove himself as a co-author.
An HHS spokesperson denied to CBS that Hall was censored or that his written responses to the Times were edited. “Any attempt to paint this as censorship is a deliberate distortion of the facts,” a statement from the HHS said.
In response, Hall wrote to CBS, “I wonder how they define censorship?”
Hall said he had reached out to NIH leadership about his concerns in hopes it all was an “aberration” but never received a response.
“Without any reassurance there wouldn’t be continued censorship or meddling in our research, I felt compelled to accept early retirement to preserve health insurance for my family,” he wrote in the LinkedIn post. “Due to very tight deadlines to make this decision, I don’t yet have plans for my future career.”
Mark Zuckerberg played up TikTok rivalry at monopoly trial, but judge may not buy it.
The Meta monopoly trial has raised a question that Meta hopes the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) can’t effectively answer: How important is it to use social media to connect with friends and family today?
Connecting with friends was, of course, Facebook’s primary use case as it became the rare social network to hit 1 billion users—not by being acquired by a Big Tech company but based on the strength of its clean interface and the network effects that kept users locked in simply because all the important people in their life chose to be there.
According to the FTC, Meta took advantage of Facebook’s early popularity, and it has since bought out rivals and otherwise cornered the market on personal social networks. Only Snapchat and MeWe (a privacy-focused Facebook alternative) are competitors to Meta platforms, the FTC argues, and social networks like TikTok or YouTube aren’t interchangeable, because those aren’t destinations focused on connecting friends and family.
For Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, however, those early days of Facebook bringing old friends back together are apparently over. He took the stand this week to testify that the FTC’s market definition ignores the reality that Meta contends with today, where “the amount that people are sharing with friends on Facebook, especially, has been declining,” CNN reported.
“Even the amount of new friends that people add … I think has been declining,” Zuckerberg said, although he did not indicate how steep the decline is. “I don’t know the exact numbers,” Zuckerberg admitted. Meta’s former chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, also took the stand and reportedly testified that while she was at Meta, “friends and family sharing went way down over time . . . If you have a strategy of targeting friends and family, you’d have serious revenue issues.”
In particular, TikTok’s explosive popularity has shifted the dynamics of social media today, Zuckerberg suggested. For many users, “apps now serve primarily as discovery engines,” Zuckerberg testified, and social interactions increasingly come from sharing fun creator content in private messages, rather than through engaging with a friend or family member’s posts.
That’s why Meta added Reels, Zuckerberg testified, and, more recently, TikTok Shop-like functionality. To stay relevant, Meta had to make its platforms more like TikTok, investing heavily in its discovery algorithm, and even willing to irk loyal Instagram users by turning their perfectly curated square grids into rectangles, Wired noted in a piece probing Meta’s efforts to lure TikTok users to Instagram.
There was seemingly no bridge too far, because Zuckerberg said, “TikTok is still bigger than either Facebook or Instagram, and I don’t like it when our competitors do better than us.” And since Meta has no interest in buying TikTok, due to fears of basing business in China, Big Tech on Trial reported, Meta’s only choice was to TikTok-ify its apps to avoid a mass exodus after Facebook users started declining for the first time in 2022. Committing to this future, the next year, Meta doubled the amount of force-fed filler in Instagram feeds.
Right now, Meta is positioning TikTok as one of Meta’s biggest competitors, with Meta supposedly flagging it a “top priority” and “highly urgent” competitive threat as early as 2018, Zuckerberg said. Further, Zuckerberg testified that while TikTok’s popularity grew, Meta’s “growth slowed down dramatically,” TechCrunch reported. And perhaps most persuasively, when TikTok briefly went dark earlier this year, some TikTokers moved to Instagram, Meta argued, suggesting that some users consider the platforms interchangeable.
If Meta can convince the court that the FTC’s market definition is wrong and that TikTok is Meta’s biggest rival, then Meta’s market share drops below monopolist standards, “undercutting” the FTC’s case, Big Tech on Trial reported.
But are Facebook and Instagram substitutes for TikTok?
Although Meta paints the picture that TikTok users naturally gravitated to Instagram during the TikTok outage, it’s clear that Meta advertised heavily to move them in that direction. There was even a conspiracy theory that Meta had bought TikTok in the hours before TikTok went down, Wired reported, as users noticed Meta banners encouraging them to link their TikTok accounts to Meta platforms. However, even the reported Meta ad blitz seemingly didn’t sway that many TikTok users, as Sensor Tower data at the time apparently indicated that “Instagram and Facebook appeared to receive only a modest increase in daily active users and downloads” during the TikTok outage, Wired reported.
Perhaps a more interesting question that the court may entertain is not where TikTok users go when TikTok is down, but where Instagram or Facebook users turn if they no longer want to use those platforms. If the FTC can argue that people seeking a destination to connect with friends or family wouldn’t substitute TikTok for that purpose, their market definition might fly.
Kenneth Dintzer, a partner at Crowell & Moring and the former lead attorney in the DOJ’s winning Google search monopoly case, told Ars that the chief judge in the case, James Boasberg, made clear at summary judgment that acknowledging Meta’s rivalry with TikTok “doesn’t really answer the question about friends and family.”
So even though Zuckerberg was “pretty persuasive,” his testimony on TikTok may not move the judge much. However, there was one exchange at the trial where Boasberg asked, “How much does it matter if friends are on a particular platform, if friends can share outside of it?” Zuckerberg praised this as a “good question” and “explained that it doesn’t matter much because people can fluidly share across platforms, using each one for its value as a ‘discovery engine,'” Big Tech on Trial reported.
Dintzer noted that Zuckerberg seemed to attempt to float a different theory explaining why TikTok was a valid rival—curiously attempting to redefine “social media” to overcome the judge’s skepticism in considering TikTok a true Meta rival.
Zuckerberg’s theory, Dintzer said, suggests that “if I open up something on TikTok or on YouTube, and I send it to a friend, that is social media.”
But that broad definition could be problematic, since it would suggest that all texting and messaging are social media, Dintzer said.
“That didn’t seem particularly persuasive,” Dintzer said. Although that kind of social sharing is “certainly something that people enjoy,” it still “doesn’t seem to be quite the same thing as posting something on Facebook for your friends and family.”
Another wrinkle that may scramble Meta’s defense is that Meta has publicly declared that its priority is to bring back “OG Facebook” and refresh how friends and family connect on its platforms. Just today, Instagram chief Adam Mosseri announced a new Instagram feature called “blend” that strives to connect friends and family through sharing access to their unique discovery algorithms.
Those initiatives seem like a strategy that fully relies on Meta’s core use case of connecting friends and family (and network effects that Zuckerberg downplayed) to propel engagement that could spike revenue. However, that goal could invite scrutiny, perhaps signaling to the court that Meta still benefits from the alleged monopoly in personal social networking and will only continue locking in users seeking to connect with friends and family.
“The magic of friends has fallen away,” Meta’s blog said, which, despite seeming at odds, could serve as both a tagline for its new “Friends” tab on Facebook and the headline of its defense so far in the monopoly trial.
Ashley is a senior policy reporter for Ars Technica, dedicated to tracking social impacts of emerging policies and new technologies. She is a Chicago-based journalist with 20 years of experience.
HP Inc. has agreed to pay a $4 million settlement to customers after being accused of “false advertising” of computers and peripherals on its website.
Earlier this month, Judge P. Casey Pitts for the US District Court of the San Jose Division of the Northern District of California granted preliminary approval [PDF] of a settlement agreement regarding a class-action complaint first filed against HP on October 13, 2021. The complaint accused HP’s website of showing “misleading” original pricing for various computers, mice, and keyboards that was higher than how the products were recently and typically priced.
Per the settlement agreement [PDF], HP will contribute $4 million to a “non-reversionary common fund, which shall be used to pay the (i) Settlement Class members’ claims; (ii) court-approved Notice and Settlement Administration Costs; (iii) court-approved Settlement Class Representatives’ Service Award; and (iv) court-approved Settlement Class Counsel Attorneys’ Fees and Costs Award. All residual funds will be distributed pro rata to Settlement Class members who submitted valid claims and cashed checks.”
The two plaintiffs who filed the initial complaint may also file a motion to receive a settlement class representative service award for up to $5,000 each, which would come out of the $4 million pool.
People who purchased a discounted HP desktop, laptop, mouse, or keyboard that was on sale for “more than 75 percent of the time the products were offered for sale” from June 5, 2021, to October 28, 2024, are eligible for compensation. The full list of eligible products is available here [PDF] and includes HP Spectre, Chromebook Envy, and Pavilion laptops, HP Envy and Omen desktops, and some mechanical keyboards and wireless mice. Depending on the product, class members can receive $10 to $100 per eligible product purchased.
An amended complaint filed on July 15, 2022 [PDF] accused HP of breaking the Federal Trade Commission’s laws against deceptive pricing. Among the examples provided was Rodney Carvalho’s experience buying an HP All-in-One 24-dp1056qe in September 2021. The complaint reported that HP.com advertised the AIO as being on sale for $899.99 and featured text saying “Save $100 instantly.” The AIO’s listing reportedly had a strike-through price suggesting that the computer used to cost $999.99. But, per the complaint, “in the weeks and months prior to Carvalho’s purchase, HP rarely, if ever, offered his computer for sale at the advertised strike-through price of $999.99.” The filing claimed that the PC had been going for $899.99 since April 2021.
A stealthy, persistent backdoor was discovered in over 16,000 Fortinet firewalls. This wasn’t a new vulnerability – it was a case of attackers exploiting a subtle part of the system (language folders) to maintain unauthorized access even after the original vulnerabilities had been patched.
What It Means:
Devices that were considered “safe” may still be compromised. Attackers had read-only access to sensitive system files via symbolic links placed on the file system – completely bypassing traditional authentication and detection. Even if a device was patched months ago, the attacker could still be in place.
Business Risk:
Exposure of sensitive configuration files (including VPN, admin, and user data)
Reputational risk if customer-facing infrastructure is compromised
Compliance concerns depending on industry (HIPAA, PCI, etc.)
Loss of control over device configurations and trust boundaries
What We’re Doing About It:
We’ve implemented a targeted remediation plan that includes firmware patching, credential resets, file system audits, and access control updates. We’ve also embedded long-term controls to monitor for persistence tactics like this in the future.
Key Takeaway For Leadership:
This isn’t about one vendor or one CVE. This is a reminder that patching is only one step in a secure operations model. We’re updating our process to include persistent threat detection on all network appliances – because attackers aren’t waiting around for the next CVE to strike.
What Happened
Attackers exploited Fortinet firewalls by planting symbolic links in language file folders. These links pointed to sensitive root-level files, which were then accessible through the SSL-VPN web interface.
The result: attackers gained read-only access to system data with no credentials and no alerts. This backdoor remained even after firmware patches – unless you knew to remove it.
FortiOS Versions That Remove the Backdoor:
7.6.2
7.4.7
7.2.11
7.0.17
6.4.16
If you’re running anything older, assume compromise and act accordingly.
The Real Lesson
We tend to think of patching as a full reset. It’s not. Attackers today are persistent. They don’t just get in and move laterally – they burrow in quietly, and stay.
The real problem here wasn’t a technical flaw. It was a blind spot in operational trust: the assumption that once we patch, we’re done. That assumption is no longer safe.
Ops Resolution Plan: One-Click Runbook
Playbook: Fortinet Symlink Backdoor Remediation
Purpose:
Remediate the symlink backdoor vulnerability affecting FortiGate appliances. This includes patching, auditing, credential hygiene, and confirming removal of any persistent unauthorized access.
1. Scope Your Environment
Identify all Fortinet devices in use (physical or virtual).
Inventory all firmware versions.
Check which devices have SSL-VPN enabled.
2. Patch Firmware
Patch to the following minimum versions:
FortiOS 7.6.2
FortiOS 7.4.7
FortiOS 7.2.11
FortiOS 7.0.17
FortiOS 6.4.16
Steps:
Download firmware from Fortinet support portal.
Schedule downtime or a rolling upgrade window.
Backup configuration before applying updates.
Apply firmware update via GUI or CLI.
3. Post-Patch Validation
After updating:
Confirm version using get system status.
Verify SSL-VPN is operational if in use.
Run diagnose sys flash list to confirm removal of unauthorized symlinks (Fortinet script included in new firmware should clean it up automatically).
4. Credential & Session Hygiene
Force password reset for all admin accounts.
Revoke and re-issue any local user credentials stored in FortiGate.
Invalidate all current VPN sessions.
5. System & Config Audit
Review admin account list for unknown users.
Validate current config files (show full-configuration) for unexpected changes.
Search filesystem for remaining symbolic links (optional):
find / -type l -ls | grep -v "https://gigaom.com/usr"
6. Monitoring and Detection
Enable full logging on SSL-VPN and admin interfaces.
Export logs for analysis and retention.
Integrate with SIEM to alert on:
Unusual admin logins
Access to unusual web resources
VPN access outside expected geos
7. Harden SSL-VPN
Limit external exposure (use IP allowlists or geo-fencing).
Require MFA on all VPN access.
Disable web-mode access unless absolutely needed.
Turn off unused web components (e.g., themes, language packs).
Change Control Summary
Change Type: Security hotfix Systems Affected: FortiGate appliances running SSL-VPN Impact: Short interruption during firmware upgrade Risk Level: Medium Change Owner: [Insert name/contact] Change Window: [Insert time] Backout Plan: See below Test Plan: Confirm firmware version, validate VPN access, and run post-patch audits
Rollback Plan
If upgrade causes failure:
Reboot into previous firmware partition using console access.
Run: exec set-next-reboot primary or secondary depending on which was upgraded.
Restore backed-up config (pre-patch).
Disable SSL-VPN temporarily to prevent exposure while issue is investigated.
Notify infosec and escalate through Fortinet support.
Final Thought
This wasn’t a missed patch. It was a failure to assume attackers would play fair.
If you’re only validating whether something is “vulnerable,” you’re missing the bigger picture. You need to ask: Could someone already be here?
Security today means shrinking the space where attackers can operate – and assuming they’re clever enough to use the edges of your system against you.
New o3 model appears “near-genius level,” according to one doctor, but it still makes mistakes.
On Wednesday, OpenAI announced the release of two new models—o3 and o4-mini—that combine simulated reasoning capabilities with access to functions like web browsing and coding. These models mark the first time OpenAI’s reasoning-focused models can use every ChatGPT tool simultaneously, including visual analysis and image generation.
OpenAI announced o3 in December, and until now, only less capable derivative models named “o3-mini” and “03-mini-high” have been available. However, the new models replace their predecessors—o1 and o3-mini.
OpenAI is rolling out access today for ChatGPT Plus, Pro, and Team users, with Enterprise and Edu customers gaining access next week. Free users can try o4-mini by selecting the “Think” option before submitting queries. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman tweeted that “we expect to release o3-pro to the pro tier in a few weeks.”
For developers, both models are available starting today through the Chat Completions API and Responses API, though some organizations will need verification for access.
“These are the smartest models we’ve released to date, representing a step change in ChatGPT’s capabilities for everyone from curious users to advanced researchers,” OpenAI claimed on its website. OpenAI says the models offer better cost efficiency than their predecessors, and each comes with a different intended use case: o3 targets complex analysis, while o4-mini, being a smaller version of its next-gen SR model “o4” (not yet released), optimizes for speed and cost-efficiency.
OpenAI says o3 and o4-mini are multimodal, featuring the ability to “think with images.” Credit: OpenAI
What sets these new models apart from OpenAI’s other models (like GPT-4o and GPT-4.5) is their simulated reasoning capability, which uses a simulated step-by-step “thinking” process to solve problems. Additionally, the new models dynamically determine when and how to deploy aids to solve multistep problems. For example, when asked about future energy usage in California, the models can autonomously search for utility data, write Python code to build forecasts, generate visualizing graphs, and explain key factors behind predictions—all within a single query.
OpenAI touts the new models’ multimodal ability to incorporate images directly into their simulated reasoning process—not just analyzing visual inputs but actively “thinking with” them. This capability allows the models to interpret whiteboards, textbook diagrams, and hand-drawn sketches, even when images are blurry or of low quality.
That said, the new releases continue OpenAI’s tradition of selecting confusing product names that don’t tell users much about each model’s relative capabilities—for example, o3 is more powerful than o4-mini despite including a lower number. Then there’s potential confusion with the firm’s non-reasoning AI models. As Ars Technica contributor Timothy B. Lee noted today on X, “It’s an amazing branding decision to have a model called GPT-4o and another one called o4.”
Vibes and benchmarks
All that aside, we know what you’re thinking: What about the vibes? While we have not used 03 or o4-mini yet, frequent AI commentator and Wharton professor Ethan Mollick compared o3 favorably to Google’s Gemini 2.5 Pro on Bluesky. “After using them both, I think that Gemini 2.5 & o3 are in a similar sort of range (with the important caveat that more testing is needed for agentic capabilities),” he wrote. “Each has its own quirks & you will likely prefer one to another, but there is a gap between them & other models.”
During the livestream announcement for o3 and o4-mini today, OpenAI President Greg Brockman boldly claimed: “These are the first models where top scientists tell us they produce legitimately good and useful novel ideas.”
Early user feedback seems to support this assertion, although until more third-party testing takes place, it’s wise to be skeptical of the claims. On X, immunologist Dr. Derya Unutmaz said o3 appeared “at or near genius level” and wrote, “It’s generating complex incredibly insightful and based scientific hypotheses on demand! When I throw challenging clinical or medical questions at o3, its responses sound like they’re coming directly from a top subspecialist physicians.”
OpenAI benchmark results for o3 and o4-mini SR models. Credit: OpenAI
So the vibes seem on target, but what about numerical benchmarks? Here’s an interesting one: OpenAI reports that o3 makes “20 percent fewer major errors” than o1 on difficult tasks, with particular strengths in programming, business consulting, and “creative ideation.”
The company also reported state-of-the-art performance on several metrics. On the American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) 2025, o4-mini achieved 92.7 percent accuracy. For programming tasks, o3 reached 69.1 percent accuracy on SWE-Bench Verified, a popular programming benchmark. The models also reportedly showed strong results on visual reasoning benchmarks, with o3 scoring 82.9 percent on MMMU (massive multi-disciplinary multimodal understanding), a college-level visual problem-solving test.
OpenAI benchmark results for o3 and o4-mini SR models. Credit: OpenAI
However, these benchmarks provided by OpenAI lack independent verification. One early evaluation of a pre-release o3 model by independent AI research lab Transluce found that the model exhibited recurring types of confabulations, such as claiming to run code locally or providing hardware specifications, and hypothesized this could be due to the model lacking access to its own reasoning processes from previous conversational turns. “It seems that despite being incredibly powerful at solving math and coding tasks, o3 is not by default truthful about its capabilities,” wrote Transluce in a tweet.
Also, some evaluations from OpenAI include footnotes about methodology that bear consideration. For a “Humanity’s Last Exam” benchmark result that measures expert-level knowledge across subjects (o3 scored 20.32 with no tools, but 24.90 with browsing and tools), OpenAI notes that browsing-enabled models could potentially find answers online. The company reports implementing domain blocks and monitoring to prevent what it calls “cheating” during evaluations.
Even though early results seem promising overall, experts or academics who might try to rely on SR models for rigorous research should take the time to exhaustively determine whether the AI model actually produced an accurate result instead of assuming it is correct. And if you’re operating the models outside your domain of knowledge, be careful accepting any results as accurate without independent verification.
Pricing
For ChatGPT subscribers, access to o3 and o4-mini is included with the subscription. On the API side (for developers who integrate the models into their apps), OpenAI has set o3’s pricing at $10 per million input tokens and $40 per million output tokens, with a discounted rate of $2.50 per million for cached inputs. This represents a significant reduction from o1’s pricing structure of $15/$60 per million input/output tokens—effectively a 33 percent price cut while delivering what OpenAI claims is improved performance.
The more economical o4-mini costs $1.10 per million input tokens and $4.40 per million output tokens, with cached inputs priced at $0.275 per million tokens. This maintains the same pricing structure as its predecessor o3-mini, suggesting OpenAI is delivering improved capabilities without raising costs for its smaller reasoning model.
Codex CLI
OpenAI also introduced an experimental terminal application called Codex CLI, described as “a lightweight coding agent you can run from your terminal.” The open source tool connects the models to users’ computers and local code. Alongside this release, the company announced a $1 million grant program offering API credits for projects using Codex CLI.
A screenshot of OpenAI’s new Codex CLI tool in action, taken from GitHub. Credit: OpenAI
Codex CLI somewhat resembles Claude Code, an agent launched with Claude 3.7 Sonnet in February. Both are terminal-based coding assistants that operate directly from a console and can interact with local codebases. While Codex CLI connects OpenAI’s models to users’ computers and local code repositories, Claude Code was Anthropic’s first venture into agentic tools, allowing Claude to search through codebases, edit files, write and run tests, and execute command line operations.
Codex CLI is one more step toward OpenAI’s goal of making autonomous agents that can execute multistep complex tasks on behalf of users. Let’s hope all the vibe coding it produces isn’t used in high-stakes applications without detailed human oversight.
Benj Edwards is Ars Technica’s Senior AI Reporter and founder of the site’s dedicated AI beat in 2022. He’s also a tech historian with almost two decades of experience. In his free time, he writes and records music, collects vintage computers, and enjoys nature. He lives in Raleigh, NC.
We also contacted the CPB and NPR today and will update this article if they provide any comments.
Markey: “Outrageous and reckless… cultural sabotage”
Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) blasted the Trump plan, calling it “an outrageous and reckless attack on one of our most trusted civic institutions… From ‘PBS NewsHour’ to ‘Sesame Street,’ public television has set the gold standard for programming that empowers viewers, particularly young minds. Cutting off this lifeline is not budget discipline, it’s cultural sabotage.”
Citing an anonymous source, Bloomberg reported that the White House “plans to send the package to Congress when lawmakers return from their Easter recess on April 28… That would start a 45-day period during which the administration can legally withhold the funding. If Congress votes down the plan or does nothing, the administration must release the money back to the intended recipients.”
The rarely used rescission maneuver can be approved by the Senate with a simple majority, as it is not subject to a filibuster. “Presidents have used the rescission procedure just twice since 1979—most recently for a $15 billion spending cut package by Trump in 2018. That effort failed in the Senate,” Bloomberg wrote.
CPB expenses in fiscal-year 2025 are $545 million, of which 66.9 percent goes to TV programming. Another 22.3 percent goes to radio programming, while the rest is for administration and support.
NPR and PBS have additional sources of funding. Corporate sponsorships are the top contributor to NPR, accounting for 36 percent of revenue between 2020 and 2024. NPR gets another 30 percent of its funding in fees from member stations. Federal funding indirectly contributes to that category because the CPB provides annual grants to public radio stations that pay NPR for programming.
PBS reported that its total expenses were $689 million in fiscal-year 2024 and that it had $348.5 million in net assets at the end of the year.
NPR and PBS are also facing pressure from Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr, who opened an investigation in January and called on Congress to defund the organizations. Carr alleged that NPR and PBS violated a federal law prohibiting noncommercial educational broadcast stations from running commercial advertisements. NPR and PBS both said their underwriting spots comply with the law.
Three big OpenAI news items this week were the FT article describing the cutting of corners on safety testing, the OpenAI former employee amicus brief, and Altman’s very good TED Interview.
The FT detailed OpenAI’s recent dramatic cutting back on the time and resources allocated to safety testing of its models.
In the interview, Chris Anderson made an unusually strong effort to ask good questions and push through attempts to dodge answering. Altman did a mix of giving a lot of substantive content in some places while dodging answering in others. Where he chose to do which was, itself, enlightening. I felt I learned a lot about where his head is at and how he thinks about key questions now.
The amicus brief backed up that OpenAI’s current actions are in contradiction to the statements OpenAI made to its early employees.
There are also a few other related developments.
What this post does not cover is GPT-4.1. I’m waiting on that until people have a bit more time to try it and offer their reactions, but expect coverage later this week.
The big headline from TED was presumably the increase in OpenAI’s GPU use.
Steve Jurvetson: Sam Altman at TED today: OpenAI’s user base doubled in just the past few weeks (an accidental disclosure on stage). “10% of the world now uses our systems a lot.”
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When asked how many users they have: “Last we disclosed, we have 500 million weekly active users, growing fast.”
Chris Anderson: “But backstage, you told me that it doubled in just a few weeks.” @SamA: “I said that privately.”
And that’s how we got the update.
Revealing that private info wasn’t okay but it seems it was an accident, in any case Altman seemed fine with it.
Listening to the details, it seems that Altman was referring not to the growth in users, but instead to the growth in compute use. Image generation takes a ton of compute.
Altman says every day he calls people up and begs them for GPUs, and that DeepSeek did not impact this at all.
Reflecting on the life ahead for his newborn: “My kids will never be smarter than AI.”
Reaction to DeepSeek:
“We had a meeting last night on our open source policy. We are going to do a powerful open-source model near the frontier. We were late to act, but we are going to do really well now.”
Altman doesn’t explain here why he is doing an open model. The next question from Anderson seems to explain it, that it’s about whether people ‘recognize’ that OpenAI’s model is best? Later Altman does attempt to justify it with, essentially, a shrug that things will go wrong but we now know it’s probably mostly fine.
Regarding the accumulated knowledge OpenAI gains from its usage history: “The upload happens bit by bit. It is an extension of yourself, and a companion, and soon will proactively push things to you.”
Have there been any scary moments?
“No. There have been moments of awe. And questions of how far this will go. But we are not sitting on a conscious model capable of self-improvement.”
I listened to the clip and this scary moment question specifically refers to capabilities of new models, so it isn’t trivially false. It still damn well should be false, given what their models can do and the leaps and awe involved. The failure to be scared here is a skill issue that exists between keyboard and chair.
How do you define AGI? “If you ask 10 OpenAI engineers, you will get 14 different definitions. Whichever you choose, it is clear that we will go way past that. They are points along an unbelievable exponential curve.”
So AGI will come and your life won’t change, but we will then soon get ASI. Got it.
“Agentic AI is the most interesting and consequential safety problem we have faced. It has much higher stakes. People want to use agents they can trust.”
Sounds like an admission that they’re not ‘facing’ the most interesting or consequential safety problems at all, at least not yet? Which is somewhat confirmed by discussion later in the interview.
I do agree that agents will require a much higher level of robustness and safety, and I’d rather have a ‘relatively dumb’ agent that was robust and safe, for most purposes.
When asked about his Congressional testimony calling for a new agency to issue licenses for large model builders: “I have since learned more about how government works, and I no longer think this is the right framework.”
I do appreciate the walkback being explicit here. I don’t think that’s the reason why.
“Having a kid changed a lot of things in me. It has been the most amazing thing ever. Paraphrasing my co-founder Ilya, I don’t know what the meaning of life is, but I am sure it has something to do with babies.”
Statements like this are always good to see.
“We made a change recently. With our new image model, we are much less restrictive on speech harms. We had hard guardrails before, and we have taken a much more permissive stance. We heard the feedback that people don’t want censorship, and that is a fair safety discussion to have.”
I agree with the change and the discussion, and as I’ve discussed before if anything I’d like to see this taken further with respect to these styles of concern in particular.
Altman is asked about copyright violation, says we need a new model around the economics of creative output and that ‘people build off each others creativity all the time’ and giving creators tools has always been good. Chris Anderson tries repeatedly to nail down the question of consent and compensation. Altman repeatedly refuses to give a straight answer to the central questions.
Altman says (10: 30) that the models are so smart that, for most things people want to do with them, they’re good enough. He notes that this is true based on user expectations, but that’s mostly circular. As in, we ask the models to do what they are capable of doing, the same way we design jobs and hire humans for them based on what things particular humans and people in general can and cannot do. It doesn’t mean any of us are ‘smart enough.’
Nor does it imply what he says next, that everyone will ‘have great models’ but what will differentiate will be not the best model but the best product. I get that productization will matter a lot for which AI gets the job in many cases, but continue to think this ‘AGI is fungible’ claim is rather bonkers crazy.
A key series of moments start at 35: 00 in. It’s telling that other coverage of the interview sidestepped all of this, essentially entirely.
Anderson has put up an image of The Ring of Power, to talk about Elon Musk’s claim that Altman has been corrupted by The Ring, a claim Anderson correctly notes also plausibly applies to Elon Musk.
Altman goes for the ultimate power move. He is defiant and says, all right, you think that, tell me examples. What have I done?
So, since Altman asked so nicely, what are the most prominent examples of Altman potentially being corrupted by The Ring of Power? Here is an eightfold path.
We obviously start with Elon Musk’s true objection, which stems from the shift of OpenAI from a non-profit structure to a hybrid structure, and the attempt to now go full for-profit, in ways he claims broke covenants with Elon Musk. Altman claimed to have no equity and not be in this for money, and now is slated to get a lot of equity. I do agree with Anderson that Altman isn’t ‘in it for the money’ because I think Altman correctly noticed the money mostly isn’t relevant.
Altman is attempting to do so via outright theft of a huge portion of the non-profit’s assets, then turn what remains into essentially an OpenAI marketing and sales department. This would arguably be the second biggest theft in history.
Altman said for years that it was important the board could fire him. Then, when the board did fire him in response (among other things) to Altman lying to the board in an attempt to fire a board member, he led a rebellion against the board, threatened to blow up the entire company and reformulate it at Microsoft, and proved that no, the board cannot fire Altman. Altman can and did fire the board.
Altman, after proving he cannot be fired, de facto purged OpenAI of his enemies. Most of the most senior people at OpenAI who are worried about AI existential risk, one by one, reached the conclusion they couldn’t do much on the inside, and resigned to continue their efforts elsewhere.
Altman used to talk openly and explicitly about AI existential risks, including attempting to do so before Congress. Now, he talks as if such risks don’t exist, and instead pivots to jingoism and the need to Beat China, and hiring lobbyists who do the same. He promised 20% of compute to the superalignment team, never delivered and then dissolved the team.
Altman pledged that OpenAI would support regulation of AI. Now he says he has changed his mind, and OpenAI lobbies against bills like SB 1047 and its AI Action Plan is vice signaling that not only opposes any regulations but seeks government handouts, the right to use intellectual property without compensation and protection against potential regulations.
Altman has been cutting corners on safety, as noted elsewhere in this post. OpenAI used to be remarkably good in terms of precautions. Now it’s not.
Altman has been going around saying ‘AGI will arrive and your life will not much change’ when it is common knowledge that this is absurd.
One could go on. This is what we like to call a target rich environment.
Anderson offers only #1, the transition to a for-profit model and the most prominent example, which is the most obvious response, but he proactively pulls the punch. Altman admits he’s not the same person he was and that it all happens gradually, if it happened all at once it would be jarring, but says he doesn’t feel any different.
Anderson essentially says okay and pivots to Altman’s son and how that has shaped Altman, which is indeed great. And then he does something that impressed me, which is tie this to existential risk via metaphor, asking if there was a button that was 90% to give his son a wonderful life and 10% to kill him (I’d love those odds!), would he press the button? Altman says literally no, but points out the metaphor, and says he doesn’t think OpenAI is doing that. He says he really cared about not destroying the world before, and he really cares about it now, he didn’t need a kid for that part.
Anderson then moves to the question of racing, and whether the fact that everyone thinks AGI is inevitable is what is creating the risk, asking if Altman and his colleagues believe it is inevitable and asks if maybe they could coordinate to ‘slow down a bit’ and get societal feedback.
As much as I would like that, given the current political climate I worry this sets up a false dichotomy, whereas right now there is tons of room to take more responsibility and get societal feedback, not only without slowing us down but enabling more and better diffusion and adaptation. Anderson seems to want a slowdown for its own sake, to give people time to adapt, which I don’t think is compelling.
Altman points out we slow down all the time for lack of reliability, also points out OpenAI has a track record of their rollouts working, and claims everyone involved ‘cares deeply’ about AI safety. Does he simply mean mundane (short term) safety here?
His discussion of the ‘safety negotiation’ around image generation, where I support OpenAI’s loosening of restrictions, suggests that this is correct. So does the next answer: Anderson asks if Altman would attend a conference of experts to discuss safety, Altman says of course but he’s more interested in what users think as a whole, and ‘asking everyone what they want’ is better than asking people ‘who are blessed by society to sit in a room and make these decisions.’
But that’s an absurd characterization of trying to solve an extremely difficult technical problem. So it implies that Altman thinks the technical problems are easy? Or that he’s trying to rhetorically get you to ignore them, in favor of the question of preferences and an appeal to some form of democratic values and opposition to ‘elites.’ It works as an applause line. Anderson points out that the hundreds of millions ‘don’t always know where the next step leads’ which may be the understatement of the lightcone in this context. Altman says the AI can ‘help us be wiser’ about those decisions, which of course would mean that a sufficiently capable AI or whoever directs it would de facto be making the decisions for us.
Altman: I will never say never, because the world could get really weird.
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I don’t think most of the world wants AI making weapons decisions.
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I don’t think AI adoption in the government has been as robust as possible.
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There will be “exceptionally smart” AI systems by the end of next year.
I think I can indeed forsee the future where OpenAI is helping the Pentagon with its AI weapons. I expect this to happen.
I want to be clear that I don’t think this is a bad thing. The risk is in developing highly capable AIs in the first place. As I have said before, Autonomous Killer Robots and AI-assisted weapons in general are not how we lose control over the future to AI, and failing to do so is a key way America can fall behind. It’s not like our rivals are going to hold back.
To the extent that the AI weapons scare the hell out of everyone? That’s a feature.
Todor Markov: Today, myself and 11 other former OpenAI employees filed an amicus brief in the Musk v Altman case.
We worked at OpenAI; we know the promises it was founded on and we’re worried that in the conversion those promises will be broken. The nonprofit needs to retain control of the for-profit. This has nothing to do with Elon Musk and everything to do with the public interest.
OpenAI claims ‘the nonprofit isn’t going anywhere’ but has yet to address the critical question: Will the nonprofit actually retain control over the for-profit? This distinction matters.
On this question, Timothy Lee points out that you don’t need to care about existential risk to notice that what OpenAI is trying to do to its non-profit is highly not cool.
Timothy Lee: I don’t think people’s views on the OpenAI case should have anything to do with your substantive views on existential risk. The case is about two questions: what promises did OpenAI make to early donors, and are those promises legally enforceable?
A lot of people on OpenAI’s side seem to be taking the view that non-profit status is meaningless and therefore donors shouldn’t complain if they get scammed by non-profit leaders. Which I personally find kind of gross.
I mean I would be pretty pissed if I gave money to a non-profit promising to do one thing and then found out they actually did something different that happened to make their leaders fabulously wealthy.
This particular case comes down to that. A different case, filed by the Attorney General, would also be able to ask the more fundamental question of whether fair compensation is being offered for assets, and whether the charitable purpose of the nonprofit is going to be wiped out, or even pivoted into essentially a profit center for OpenAI’s business (as in buying a bunch of OpenAI services for nonprofits and calling that its de facto charitable purpose).
The mad dash to be first, and give the perception that the company is ‘winning’ is causing reckless rushes to release new models at OpenAI.
This is in dramatic contrast to when there was less risk in the room, and despite this OpenAI used to take many months to prepare a new release. At first, by any practical standard, OpenAI’s track record on actual model release decisions was amazingly great. Nowadays? Not so much.
Would their new procedures pot the problems it is vital that we spot in advance?
Joe Weisenthal: I don’t have any views on whether “AI Safety” is actually an important endeavor.
Christina Criddle: EXC: OpenAI has reduced the time for safety testing amid “competitive pressures” per sources:
Timeframes have gone from months to days
Specialist work such as finetuning for misuse (eg biorisk) has been limited
Evaluations are conducted on earlier versions than launched
Financial Times (Gated): OpenAI has slashed the time and resources it spends on testing the safety of its powerful AI models, raising concerns that its technology is being rushed out the door without sufficient safeguards.
Staff and third-party groups have recently been given just days to conduct “evaluations,” the term given to tests for assessing models’ risks and performance, on OpenAI’s latest LLMs, compared to several months previously.
According to eight people familiar with OpenAI’s testing processes, the start-up’s tests have become less thorough, with insufficient time and resources dedicated to identifying and mitigating risks, as the $300 billion startup comes under pressure to release new models quickly and retain its competitive edge.
Steven Adler (includes screenshots from FT): Skimping on safety-testing is a real bummer. I want for OpenAI to become the “leading model of how to address frontier risk” they’ve aimed to be.
Peter Wildeford: I can see why people say @sama is not consistently candid.
Dylan Hadfield Menell: I remember talking about competitive pressures and race conditions with the @OpenAI’s safety team in 2018 when I was an intern. It was part of a larger conversation about the company charter.
It is sad to see @OpenAI’s founding principles cave to pressures we predicted long ago.
It is sad, but not surprising.
This is why we need a robust community working on regulating the next generation of AI systems. Competitive pressure is real.
We need people in positions of genuine power that are shielded from them.
Dylan Hadfield Menell: Where did you find an exact transcription of our conversation?!?! 😅😕😢
You can’t do this kind of testing properly in a matter of days. It’s impossible.
If people don’t have time to think let alone adapt, probe and build tools, how they can see what your new model is capable of doing? There are some great people working on these issues at OpenAI but this is an impossible ask.
Testing on a version that doesn’t even match what you release? That’s even more impossible.
Part of this is that it is so tragic how everyone massively misinterpreted and overreacted to DeepSeek.
To reiterate since the perception problem persists, yes, DeepSeek cooked, they have cracked engineers and they did a very impressive thing with r1 given what they spent and where they were starting from, but that was not DS being ‘in the lead’ or even at the frontier, they were always many months behind and their relative costs were being understated by multiple orders of magnitude. Even today I saw someone say ‘DeepSeek still in the lead’ when this is so obviously not the case. Meanwhile, no one was aware Google Flash Thinking even existed, or had the first visible CoT, and so on.
The result of all that? Talk similar to Kennedy’s ‘Missile Gap,’ abject panic, and sudden pressure to move up releases to show OpenAI and America have ‘still got it.’
FTC’s “entire” monopoly case rests on decade-old emails, Meta argued.
Starting the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) antitrust trial Monday with a bang, Daniel Matheson, the FTC’s lead litigator, flagged a “smoking gun”—a 2012 email where Mark Zuckerberg suggested that Facebook could buy Instagram to “neutralize a potential competitor,” The New York Times reported.
And in “another banger of an email from Zuckerberg,” Brendan Benedict, an antitrust expert monitoring the trial for Big Tech on Trial, posted on X that the Meta CEO wrote, “Messenger isn’t beating WhatsApp. Instagram was growing so much faster than us that we had to buy them for $1 billion… that’s not exactly killing it.”
These messages and others, the FTC hopes to convince the court, provide evidence that Zuckerberg runs Meta by the mantra “it’s better to buy than compete”—seemingly for more than a decade intent on growing the Facebook empire by killing off rivals, allegedly in violation of antitrust law. Another message from Zuckerberg exhibited at trial, Benedict noted on X, suggests Facebook tried to buy yet another rival, Snapchat, for $6 billion.
“We should probably prepare for a leak that we offered $6b… and all the negative [attention] that will come from that,” the Zuckerberg message said.
At the trial, Matheson suggested that “Meta broke the deal” that firms have in the US to compete to succeed, allegedly deciding “that competition was too hard, and it would be easier to buy out their rivals than to compete with them,” the NYT reported. Ultimately, it will be up to the FTC to prove that Meta couldn’t have achieved its dominance today without buying Instagram and WhatsApp (in 2012 and 2014, respectively), while legal experts told the NYT that it is “extremely rare” to unwind mergers approved so many years ago.
Later today, Zuckerberg will take the stand and testify for perhaps seven hours, likely being made to answer for these messages and more. According to the NYT, the FTC will present a paper trail of emails where Zuckerberg and other Meta executives make it clear that acquisitions were intended to remove threats to Facebook’s dominance in the market.
It’s apparent that Meta plans to argue that it doesn’t matter what Zuckerberg or other executives intended when pursuing acquisitions. In a pretrial brief, Meta argued that “the FTC’s case rests almost entirely on emails (many more than a decade old) allegedly expressing competitive concerns” but suggested that this is only “intent” evidence, “without any evidence of anticompetitive effects.”
FTC may force Meta to spin off Instagram, WhatsApp
It is the FTC’s burden to show that Meta’s acquisitions harmed consumers and the market (and those harms outweigh any believable pro-competitive benefits alleged by Meta), but it remains to be seen whether Meta will devote ample time to testifying that “Mark Zuckerberg got it wrong” when describing his rationale for acquisitions, Big Tech on Trial noted.
Meta’s lead lawyer, Mark Hansen, told Law360 that “what people thought at Meta is not really what this case is.” (For those keeping track of who’s who in this case, Hansen apparently once was the boss of James Boasberg, the judge in the case, Big Tech on Trial reported.)
The social media company hopes to convince the court that the FTC’s case is political. So far, Meta has accused the FTC of shifting its market definition while willfully overlooking today’s competitive realities online, simply to punish a tech giant for its success.
In a blog post on Sunday, Meta’s chief legal officer, Jennifer Newstead, accused the FTC of lobbing a “weak case” that “ignores reality.” Meta insists that the FTC has “gerrymandered a fictitious market” to exclude Meta’s actual rivals, like TikTok, X, YouTube, or LinkedIn.
Boasberg will be scrutinizing the market definition, as well as alleged harms, and the FTC will potentially struggle to win him over on the merits of their case. Big Tech on Trial—which suggested that Meta’s acquisitions, if intended to kill off rivals, would be considered “a textbook violation of the antitrust laws”—noted that the court previously told the FTC that the agency had an “uphill climb” in proving its market definition. And because Meta’s social platforms are free, it’s harder to show direct evidence of consumer harms, experts have noted.
Still, for Meta, the stakes are high, as the FTC could pursue a breakup of the company, including requiring Meta to spin off WhatsApp and Instagram. Losing Instagram would hit Meta’s revenue hard, as Instagram is supposed to bring in more than half of its US ad revenue in 2025, eMarketer forecasted last December.
The trial is expected to last eight weeks, but much of the most-anticipated testimony will come early. Facebook’s former chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, as well as Kevin Systrom, co-founder of Instagram, are expected to testify this week.
All unsealed emails and exhibits will eventually be posted on a website jointly managed by the FTC and Meta, but Ars was not yet provided a link or timeline for when the public evidence will be posted online.
Meta mocks FTC’s “ad load theory”
The FTC is arguing that Meta overpaid to acquire Instagram and WhatsApp to maintain an alleged monopoly in the personal social networking market that includes rivals like Snapchat and MeWe, a social networking platform that brands itself as a privacy-focused Facebook alternative.
In opening arguments, the FTC alleged that once competition was eliminated, Meta then degraded the quality of its platforms by limiting user privacy and inundating users with ads.
Meta has defended its acquisitions by arguing that it has improved Instagram and WhatsApp. At trial, Meta’s lawyer Hansen made light of the FTC’s “ad load theory,” stirring laughter in the reportedly packed courtroom, Benedict posted on X.
“If you don’t like an ad, you scroll past it. It takes about a second,” Hansen said.
Meanwhile, Newstead, who reportedly attended opening arguments, argued in her blog that “Instagram and WhatsApp provide a model for what successful acquisitions can achieve: Meta has made Instagram and WhatsApp better, more reliable and more secure through billions of dollars and millions of hours of investment.”
By breaking up these acquisitions, Hansen argued, the FTC would be sending a strong message to startups that “would kill entrepreneurship” by seemingly taking mergers and acquisitions “off the table,” Benedict posted on X.
To defeat the FTC, Meta will likely attempt to broaden the market definition to include more rivals. In support of that, Meta has already pointed to the recent TikTok ban driving TikTok users to Instagram, which allegedly shows the platforms are interchangeable, despite the FTC differentiating TikTok as a video app.
The FTC will likely lean on Meta’s internal documents to show who Meta actually considers rivals. During opening arguments, for example, the FTC reportedly shared a Meta document showing that Meta itself has agreed with the FTC and differentiated Facebook as connecting “friends and family,” while “LinkedIn connects coworkers” and “Nextdoor connects neighbors.”
“Contemporaneous records reveal that Meta and other social media executives understood that users flock to different platforms for different purposes and that Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp were specifically designed to operate in a distinct submarket for family and friend connections,” the American Economic Liberties Project, which is partnering with Big Tech on Trial to monitoring the proceedings, said in a press statement.
But Newstead suggested that “evidence of fierce and increasing competition in the market has only grown in the four years since the FTC’s complaint was filed,” and Meta now “faces strong competition in a rapidly shifting tech landscape that includes American and foreign competitors.”
To emphasize the threats to US consumers and businesses, Newstead also invoked the supposed threat to America’s AI leadership if one of the country’s leading tech companies loses momentum at this key moment.
“It’s absurd that the FTC is trying to break up a great American company at the same time the Administration is trying to save Chinese-owned TikTok,” Newstead said. “And, it makes no sense for regulators to try and weaken US companies right at the moment we most need them to invest in winning the competition with China for leadership in AI.”
Trump’s FTC appears unlikely to back down
Zuckerberg has been criticized for his supposed last-ditch attempts to push the Trump administration to pause or toss the FTC’s case. Last month, the CEO visited Trump in the Oval Office to discuss a settlement, Politico reported, apparently worrying officials who don’t want Trump to bail out Meta.
On Monday, the FTC did not appear to be wavering, however, prompting alarm bells in the tech industry.
Patrick Hedger, the director of policy for NetChoice—a trade group that represents Meta and other Big Tech companies—warned that if the FTC undoes Meta’s acquisitions, it would harm innovation and competition while damaging trust in the FTC long-term.
“This bait-and-switch against Meta for acquisitions approved over 10 years ago in the fiercely competitive social media marketplace will have serious ripple effects not only for the US tech industry, but across all American businesses,” Hedger said.
Seemingly accusing Donald Trump’s FTC of pursuing Lina Khan’s alleged agenda against Big Tech, Hedger added that “with Meta at the forefront of open-source AI innovation and a global competitor, the outcome of this trial will have spillover into the entire economy. It will create a fear among businesses that making future, pro-competitive investments could be reversed due to political discontent—not the necessary evidence traditionally required for an anticompetitive claim.”
But Trump’s FTC seems determined to proceed in attempts to disrupt Meta’s business. FTC Chair Andrew Ferguson told Fox Business Monday that “antitrust laws can help make sure that no private sector company gets so powerful that it affects our lives in ways that are really bad for all Americans,” and “that’s what this trial beginning today is all about.”
Ashley is a senior policy reporter for Ars Technica, dedicated to tracking social impacts of emerging policies and new technologies. She is a Chicago-based journalist with 20 years of experience.
Apple is taking another crack at iPad multitasking, according to a report from Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman. This year’s iPadOS 19 release, due to be unveiled at Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference on June 9, will apparently include an “overhaul that will make the tablet’s software more like macOS.”
The report is light on details about what’s actually changing, aside from a broad “focus on productivity, multitasking, and app window management.” But Apple will apparently continue to stop short of allowing users of newer iPads to run macOS on their tablets, despite the fact that modern iPad Airs and Pros use the same processors as Macs.
If this is giving you déjà vu, you’re probably thinking about iPadOS 16, the last time Apple tried making significant upgrades to the iPad’s multitasking model. Gurman’s reporting at the time even used similar language, saying that iPads running the new software would work “more like a laptop and less like a phone.”
The result of those efforts was Stage Manager. It had steep hardware requirements and launched in pretty rough shape, even though Apple delayed the release of the update by a month to keep polishing it. Stage Manager did allow for more flexible multitasking, and on newer models, it enabled true multi-monitor support for the first time. But early versions were buggy and frustrating in ways that still haven’t fully been addressed by subsequent updates (MacStories’ Federico Viticci keeps the Internet’s most comprehensive record of the issues with the software.)
The extensions share other dubious or suspicious similarities. Much of the code in each one is highly obfuscated, a design choice that provides no benefit other than complicating the process for analyzing and understanding how it behaves.
All but one of them are unlisted in the Chrome Web Store. This designation makes an extension visible only to users with the long pseudorandom string in the extension URL, and thus, they don’t appear in the Web Store or search engine search results. It’s unclear how these 35 unlisted extensions could have fetched 4 million installs collectively, or on average roughly 114,000 installs per extension, when they were so hard to find.
Additionally, 10 of them are stamped with the “Featured” designation, which Google reserves for developers whose identities have been verified and “follow our technical best practices and meet a high standard of user experience and design.”
One example is the extension Fire Shield Extension Protection, which, ironically enough, purports to check Chrome installations for the presence of any suspicious or malicious extensions. One of the key JavaScript files it runs references several questionable domains, where they can upload data and download instructions and code:
URLs that Fire Shield Extension Protection references in its code. Credit: Secure Annex
One domain in particular—unknow.com—is listed in the remaining 34 apps.
Tuckner tried analyzing what extensions did on this site but was largely thwarted by the obfuscated code and other steps the developer took to conceal their behavior. When the researcher, for instance, ran the Fire Shield extension on a lab device, it opened a blank webpage. Clicking on the icon of an installed extension usually provides an option menu, but Fire Shield displayed nothing when he did it. Tuckner then fired up a background service worker in the Chrome developer tools to seek clues about what was happening. He soon realized that the extension connected to a URL at fireshieldit.com and performed some action under the generic category “browser_action_clicked.” He tried to trigger additional events but came up empty-handed.
